What mgrs/exec's/umps would you consider future HOFers?

[novakjr]

Any thoughts on Ralph Houk, Billy Martin or Dusty Baker?

And I know this one will be a big stretch, but being a Cleveland fan I've gotta at least mention him. Mike Hargrove? From '94-'99 he was arguably "one of" the best managers in the league. I will say that I think his years in Baltimore and Seattle have hurt him a lot though...

Which also leads me to one executive, John Hart? Those 90's Indians teams he put together were incredible...Sure no World Series wins, but 2 appearances, and 870-681 under Hart. He was also the Sporting News Executive of the Year in '94 and '95.. Now add a 3rd WS appearance while the Senior Adviser of Baseball Operations for the Rangers... This guy had an undeniable knack for scouting, whether it be through the draft or in trades for prospects..

[Wite3]

I always found it interesting that RC of Hall of Fame Managers (or cards in general of HOF managers) seem to be cheaper than their contemporary counterparts (with the exception of possibly Connie Mack). Managing in the majors and winning consistently has to be very difficult. Especially since the 1950s when managers and owners started splitting the ownership roles (Mack stuck around a long time because he owned the team)...Imagine a team keeping a manager after 13 losing seasons (also had a run of 10 losing seasons as well)?

Joshua

[Chris-Counts]

As far as I'm concerned, there are already too many suits in the Hall of Fame. As for Steinbrenner, it would warm my heart if he never got in. As for players deserving of induction, I say open the floodgates and start with Minnie Minoso ...

http://minnieminoso.blogspot.com/

[novakjr]

Originally Posted by Chris Counts

As far as I'm concerned, there are already too many suits in the Hall of Fame. As for Steinbrenner, it would warm my heart if he never got in. As for players deserving of induction, I say open the floodgates and start with Minnie Minoso ...

http://minnieminoso.blogspot.com/

I'd say Minoso, Hodges and Santo...

[novakjr]

Any thoughts on William Eckert, Peter Ueberroth, Bart Giamatti or Faye Vincent?

Now this one might seem a little odd. Curt Flood was a pretty good ballplayer, not quite HOF good, BUT given the way everything went down with him, is there any chance he gets in as a pioneer?

[Peter_Spaeth]

So should Joe Torre be penalized because Clemens probably used and Giambi admitted to it?

[Kenny Cole]

As a manager? Absolutely, assuming that you are going to penalize the players he managed too. Is that enough to derail him? I don't know. He managed a long time, successfully, before steroids were much of an issue. We've had variants of this discussion before, and rules are rules, even if they're unwritten, correct?

[Brendan]

This talk of managers being penalized for players using steroids is total rubbish. Let's say you're Dusty Baker. You know Bonds is using steroids. You make the right decision and say nothing.

If Baker tells Bonds he has to stop, Bonds either doesn't (and gets benched which gets the GM and Owner upset) listen or Baker may get fired. Pretty simple.

Sure, a guy may be in charge but nowadays a veteran star player has superiority over just about anybody. Do you think the owners didn't want steroids? Do you think they would want to sacrifice all that money just so the game can be played fairly, while it never actually has? I mean, guys back in the 70's took stimulants so they could perform better. Nobody said they couldn't, but hey, they still did. If you look at how popular baseball was in the steroid era, you have to wonder if this was ever a problem. In what way is a player's post career health our business?

[ksfarmboy]

Since nobody has mentioned any umpires here's a fellow Kansan that I'd like to see get in. He's already in the Basketball Hall of fame and umpired more than a few baseball games. Ernest Quigley.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_C._Quigley