Eight Men Out

[Shoeless Moe]

The way they butcher some sports movies they'd probably have Judge Landis played by Judge Judy.

[novakjr]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

The way they butcher some sports movies they'd probably have Judge Landis played by Judge Judy.

I was thinking Judge Reinhold.

[Jcfowler6]

Judge Ito?
Seriously what about Sam Elliot?

[tbob]

I suggest reading the book The Original Curse in which a case is made that the Cubs threw the 1918 Series and that was one of the reasons for the 1919action. Reading books like these gives a more encompassing look at the times and conduct of the players prior to the 1919 Series and provides insight on why what happened in 1919 had been happening for years.

[Jcfowler6]

Originally Posted by tbob

I suggest reading the book The Original Curse in which a case is made that the Cubs threw the 1918 Series and that was one of the reasons for the 1919action. Reading books like these gives a more encompassing look at the times and conduct of the players prior to the 1919 Series and provides insight on why what happened in 1919 had been happening for years.

Well if I keep reading this thread I am gonna be reading for weeks. That's not necessarily a bad thing. I will be sure to read this one as well.

For sure the times were different in those days. It makes for good reading.

[Kawika]

Sean Penn as KML?

[Matt]

[Jcfowler6]

Originally Posted by Matt

Matt that is sweet.

[Vol]

I know that the Reds were the underdogs for the Series, but can anyone tell me the odds that they were getting?

I am sure Rothstein laid off money all over the place, but surely the line had to move quite a bit.

And is that the way the truth came to light? By the line moving?

[MacDice]

I always wondered who did the movie props for Eight Men Out. Would love to get a nice reproduction glove from that period to play catch with.

[Jcfowler6]

Originally Posted by MacDice

I always wondered who did the movie props for Eight Men Out. Would love to get a nice reproduction glove from that period to play catch with.

Mike,

Check out these links:

http://www.baseballamericaspastime.com/equipment.html
http://www.dugout-memories.com/jersteam.html

[FrankWakefield]

Rothstein: The Life, Times, and Murder of the Criminal Genius Who Fixed the 1919 World Series, by David Pietrusza, is a must read book to understand the BlackSox matter. Short of reading that I now think that a fellow's merely scratched the surface. After reading that I'm satisfied that Arnold Rothstein had orchestrated two separate, simultaneous fixes, to insure that the fix was in. And that duality is what is perceived as somewhat confusing or inconsistent when someone only partly examines the events.

Weaver knew what was happening, he should have told, he deserved his fate. He was a good ballplayer, an interesting and sympathetic fellow.

[Shoeless Moe]

.......and in, which pretty is common knowledge, was that Buck requested a seperate trial. The only one who did that. He also said he'd never rat on his friends.

However in requesting a seperate trial that speaks volumes, it means he wanted to seperate himself from the others. Why would he want to do that? Obviously he knew the others were guilty. If he knew they were innocent also he would not have done that. So by doing so, he basically is saying the others were dirty.

Not that that is a big surprise to those who have read on the subject. Buck also placed a bet on the Series. He bet with drawing a blank offhand but a member of the media or someone a pair of new shoes that the Sox would win the Series.

Another tell that Buck was not dirty. He did have knowledge though and that is what he was banned for, but that is way to stiff a punishment for not saying anything. As from reading several other books including the Ray Schalk story amongst others, Schalk knew something was up, as did manager Gleason as did Comiskey. But all remained quiet.

Its like today, most people feel the steriod users should not be in the Hall of Fame, but I'm sure their were non-users, Thome, Maddox, Smoltz, Jeter who knew their buddies were doing it, should they be banned like Buck was just because they to had knowledge and didn't speak up, seems kinda similar to me.

[Bugsy]

The difference between Buck and Schalk, Collins, Comiskey, Johnson, etc is that Buck attended meetings where details of throwing games were discussed and he did not report it. That is why Landis expelled him and not the others. Jackson actually has a better case than Buck does since he never attended any of the meetings.

[Shoeless Moe]

Bugsy, if all of your buddies were at ones house and it was brought up that they knew of an illegal way to make some money, it wouldn't hurt anyone or steal from the poor or anything like that, but they had a plan and u decided u wanted no part of it. Or a cash station spit out a crapload of money and they took it. Do u go straight to the police and rat your friends out?

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by Bugsy

The difference between Buck and Schalk, Collins, Comiskey, Johnson, etc is that Buck attended meetings where details of throwing games were discussed and he did not report it. That is why Landis expelled him and not the others. Jackson actually has a better case than Buck does since he never attended any of the meetings.

Jackson took money - there goes his case. Granted he felt guilty and tried to return/report it to Comiskey, but still he took money, that's worse then being at a meeting and deciding you didn't want in. Jackson doesn't need to be at a meeting, once he took the money he sealed his fate.