T213 related to T206 revisited w/1942 checklist info added..now w/Old Judges too

[barrysloate]

With regard to the T206/T213 debate, I've always wondered how the early collectors would have catalogued the Coupons if there never was a series 2 or 3. Would they still have gotten their own designation, or would they have been grouped with T206? We will never know for sure the answer to that one.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

With regard to the T206/T213 debate, I've always wondered how the early collectors would have catalogued the Coupons if there never was a series 2 or 3. Would they still have gotten their own designation, or would they have been grouped with T206? We will never know for sure the answer to that one.

Personally I think they would have been classified as T206 without the other two series.

[cfc1909]

Burdick got the Coupons right by not including them with t206s although maybe for the wrong reasons. It is complicated but if you study all the series in t206 you will understand why Coupons are not t206s.

Its a good debate but they are different issues.

[tedzan]

Leon

It's nice to hear that you have a qualified agreement with those of us who consider the 1910 "COUPON" cards as another branch of the T206 set


T-Rex TED

[cfc1909]

1. says they are on heavy paper. This is not so-the type 1 are on very thin stock like Virginia Extra and the Virginia Extra issue(t216) is much more scare-rare that 213-1.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by cfc1909

1. says they are on heavy paper. This is not so-the type 1 are on very thin stock like Virginia Extra and the Virginia Extra issue(t216) is much more scare-rare that 213-1.

Dunno Jim. I think they could be called heavy "paper". Had he said stock or cardboard, I would maybe think differently.

And Ted......to clarify my point above, I am not saying I think T213-1 are a type of T206. What I meant is that the way I read the statement from Burdick, above, with him referencing the other two T213 series, he might have thought differently had they not existed. With the other two series included I think he got it right. I guess I need to go back and read the minutia of the threads as to what Jim and Tim are referring to. I have a fair amount more of some early T206 writings. I will see if any will give any more info on these two issues and how they might relate to each other.

[cfc1909]

whether you call it paper or stock it is not heavy. I am sure you have handled these and they are like a sheet of loose leaf paper or thinner.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by cfc1909

whether you call it paper or stock it is not heavy. I am sure you have handled these and they are like a sheet of loose leaf paper or thinner.

I guess I have handled around 30-40 raw ones though I haven't kept exact count. I describe it as thin stock. We both know what it feels like it's only a matter of how we describe it that is debatable.

[Abravefan11]

Originally Posted by Leon

I guess I need to go back and read the minutia of the threads as to what Jim and Tim are referring to.

If you go back and read the "trivial" details that were posted it's going to be difficult to understand what Jim and I were referring to.

[ChiefBenderForever]

Interesting stuff and I think that the Coupon type 1 will always be T213-1 but sure would cause a ruckus in the hobby if changed ! The only thing we know for sure is that a Ty Cobb back is without doubt a T206 !

[Abravefan11]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

With regard to the T206/T213 debate, I've always wondered how the early collectors would have catalogued the Coupons if there never was a series 2 or 3. Would they still have gotten their own designation, or would they have been grouped with T206? We will never know for sure the answer to that one.

Barry - My initial thought is that they would have classified them as T206, but I'm not sure the difference in paper stock is something they would have discounted so easily and may still have considered them a different issue. As you say we'll never know for sure.

I'll echo what Jim said that the T206 set composition is complex but when understood it casts significant doubt IMO that the T213-1's were part of the same set.