Baby Got "Backs" T206

[wonkaticket]

Johnny,

I agree with you for the most part however with anomalies it would be an impossible list and the set would never end sort of like OJ a new one would be added every time almost. It’s just they are anomaly’s hence nor rhyme or reason or consistency.

The reason I count Brown Old Mill is with the exceptions of Leon’s and the two know legit over prints there is a rhyme and reason to “Brown” Old Mill Southern League cards. They are found on a consistent series of players and with a degree of consistency in the way they look and feel much like blank backs.

The others like I have in my set miscuts, mistrikes, printers freaks, factory sheet numbers etc and there are few others out there that folks aren’t aware of are just too hard to define IMO. How would one define them “Miscut Piedmont 60/40”, “Miscut Sweet Caporal 10/90” it’s just way to open to interpretation and the checklist could be infinite.

I could go for this type of list…..though…


T206 Basic Back Set:

• All Piedmonts
• All Sweet Caps
• All Sovereign
• All American Beauty’s
• All Cycles
• All Broadleaf’s
• All Hindu’s
• Old Mill Southern (Black)
• Old Mill
• Lenox
• Lenox (Brown)
• Polar Bear
• Tolstoi
• Uzit
• El Principe De Gales
• Drum
• Carolina Brights


T206 Master Back Set:

• All Piedmonts
• All Sweet Caps
• All Sovereign
• All American Beauty’s
• All Cycles
• All Broadleaf’s
• All Hindu’s
• Blank Back
• Old Mill Southern (Black)
• Old Mill Southern (Brown)
• Old Mill
• Lenox
• Lenox (Brown)
• Polar Bear
• Tolstoi
• Uzit
• El Principe De Gales
• Drum
• Carolina Brights

One could potentially add miscuts and oddities to his or her back sets as icing on the cake sort of how I see it.

But cool topic and I’m always open to new ways of looking at this set.

For arguments sake I left Ty Cobb off I leave that up to you guys.

Cheers,

John

[Abravefan11]

NM

[E93]

I might add that a controlling share (66.7%) of F.R. Penn Tobacco Co. in the form of common stock was purchased by ATC in 1904 and remained in ATC control until its dissolution in 1911, but covering the time period when the Ty Cobb brand card was issued. Thus, like all other T206s, the Ty Cobb brand card was issued in the T206 time period (1910 according to the date of ads and articles about it) by ATC as a giveaway to help advertise and stimulate sales of one of its tobacco brands.
JimB

[wonkaticket]

Very cool Jim, was not aware of that neat.

[mrvster]

John,

You have a great point! (about the anomalies, i'm just biased)!!

definitely something of a "fringe" type thing.....just no boundaries, they would have to be basic generalities(ie just split back, crop mark, sheet #, upside down, ), more unique collector(like you and me)......

i love the way you split the master set, thats a great way to look at it....and John, thanks for leaving off Cobb

Brown om are almost like an enigma to themselves, and i think could go either way....i have been more of the freak collector, Craig, Tim, Art, Dan, Jim, and so many others are fine tuned on the scarcity, i wish i just bought more back in the day, im kinda out....but scanning ebay for umpteen hours and auctions just some observations...

John,

I LOVE THIS POST!!

Peace

Johnny

[tedzan]

........... Factory 33 - 4th Dist. of N.C. ............


Factory #33 was located in Reidsville, North Carolina (F. R. Penn Tobacco Co.)



And, since some of us on this forum strongly feel that this Ty Cobb card should be classified as a T206, then it follows that the 68 cards
in the 1910 COUPON (T213-1) set should also be classified as T206's. The cards associated with both of these Tobacco brands fall under
the T206 rubric.






Note the quotation marks surrounding both the TY COBB and the COUPON brands. This is indicates that these two brands were brand new
American Tobacco Co. products in the Spring of 1910 and that their Trademark's were pending.

Some here will agree with these opinions, and others will differ.....and, that's fine.


TED Z

[caramelcard]

For you guys who collect shades of different back colors like sovereign's light green...there's two different distinct shades of Piedmont fact. 42. Collect those too?

[mrvster]

Robert,

GREAT POINT

[cfc1909]

The Sovereign Apple Green is only found on the 350-460 subjects, therefore a separate back. I have studied along with others and have not yet found that the different shades of Piedmont 42 come on certain subjects but do have examples of 2 different shades in my collection.

At this time I don't believe there are 2 colors of Piedmont 42 but just different degrees of ink applied.


edit-John-great back set and I feel fortunate to have viewed it in person.

[Abravefan11]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Note the quotation marks surrounding both the TY COBB and the COUPON brands. This is indicates that these two brands were brand new
American Tobacco Co. products in the Spring of 1910 and that their Trademark's were pending.

TED Z

The following article shows a relationship between Coupon cigarettes and The American Tobacco company before the spring of 1910 as well as the use of quotation marks surrounding the word Coupon.

August 6, 1908 Times Picayune New Orleans



The same contest was run again by ATC in August 1909 giving away either Coupon or Picayune cigarettes.

[Rob D.]

Originally Posted by Abravefan11

The following article shows a relationship between Coupon cigarettes and The American Tobacco company before the spring of 1910 as well as the use of quotation marks surrounding the word Coupon.

August 6, 1908 Times Picayune New Orleans



The same contest was run again by ATC in August 1909 giving away either Coupon or Picayune cigarettes.

Tim,

If you're going to continue to contribute solid facts instead of opinions represented as facts, well, you'd better just leave.

Seriously, interesting info for anyone who's paying attention.