Nicholls SC150 649 OP CONTROVERSY

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by danmckee

John, Please remind me nver to piss you off, thanks Dan.

Dan,
True, but I'd love to see the T-Shirts!

[mintacular]

on the video

[Leon]

Hey guys,

While I understand all of the arguments, probably better than I want to, this personal attacking is not going to continue on this board. Even if mistakes were made I don't think it's right that every time Ted breathes he gets attacked. Ted might have included things in the listings that should not have been included, maybe some poor decisions were made in the process, but this personal attacking is going to cease. It's just not right. Ted has a lot to offer in the way of knowledge and I think every one is much more aware (now) of being careful when accounting for cards that exist, or don't. As a matter of fact in the next few weeks I hope to come out with some very interesting information about this very topic. It might include some 206 information but will definitely address the concerns of verifying what we are doing before reporting it as the gospel. Ya'll can make fun of me, or joke around at me, that is fine. No problem. Everyone that has good intentions should be able to post on the board without fear of being persecuted. Again, trust me, I get it; all of it. best regards

edited to add....I do agree with Jim R's post right above too......We all need to work together to send out correct information that has been fully verified, not only through an unknown email etc......

[nolemmings]

Thanks Leon.

[wonkaticket]

You’re right Leon I’m sure all the story telling, lies about cards Ted doesn’t own sending collectors on wild goose chases for cards that don’t exist, butchering lists and years of collectors works with mis-information, adding info to lists with no qualified inputs for years was all done with the best intentions.

Attack or being mean or not whatever. I find it funny about be easy on Ted take a look over the years at the way the man has talked to many new collectors funny never saw you or anyone asking him to take a chill pill.

Let’s also be clear and on the record here Leon he has been caught lying make no mistakes.

These are not innocent errors or oversights and it’s insulting to the people who know better I would think you included would feel that way as much as you are a historian of this hobby Mr. buy the 1939 catalog out from under me, and a travesty for the folks who depend on this board for an education and web based learning annex.

Johnny is also correct and one of the few who has had the guts and upset enough, rightfully so to say something. More importantly ask Ted why he feels the need to ignore our information and proof in black & white written by him we didn’t make this stuff it’s on this forum read it.

But if you feel getting along and allowing Ted to continue his stories is what is best so be it.

I guess that’s where we differ, I can’t be cool with a guy putting out bad info and lies to new collectors who depend on this site, and if making one person happy is at the expense of a community or hobby I have issue with that.

Leon Ted can share without telling stories lots of us do that FYI, you don't need to act the expert and each turn especially when you have to make up stuff to play the role, heck just in his Elite 8 thread he had misinformation.

Is it really too much to ask that if you’re going present theories on a set, take the time to really research prior to posting and check for errors, give credit to your sources and if you use folks information you don’t screw it up.

Most important of all don’t lie about findings and lie to prove your theories right when questioned in a professional manner.

Attacks or barbs however you would like to see it.

Many of us for years have had tried to have conversations with Ted in a civil manner Ted won’t have it, he’s right you’re a moron for questioning him end of story.

You push it then you’re picking on Ted and outcome the protective sheep…its clear good hobby info isn’t priority it’s making sure Ted Z is happy is.

Cheers,

John

[Leon]

John- I have said my piece on it and have communicated exactly the way I feel.

BTW, within 2 weeks of me getting that 1939 ACC I ended up buying another one that is missing part of it's cover. If you want the one I bought I would be happy to sell it to you for exactly what I paid...with free guaranteed delivery. Just let me know.....(and you know darned well I asked you about it when I bought it...I gave you first dibs as you saw it first)

btw, except for the personal attacks I agree with almost everything you said concerning verifying things before reporting them as truth....
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[wonkaticket]

Another innocent mistake I guess? In a past Hindu thread where this card below was posted by Ted Z and claimed to be owned by him, then when questioned the scan got pulled down and the post got edited.

Then in his list (35) subset of 649 OP he claims to own the card, even as far as many times when addressed about 35 cards never says no I only have 34.

Now addressed again and he can’t edit the list from the old board and its another story of how this lie came to be.



I guess we will just have to wait until Ted’s good buddy with 6k T206’s mostly with tougher backs fairs huh. Shame SC 649 isn’t a rare back….

Leon all we really have is the shots now as its clear Ted has no remorse or plans of stopping. It's our way of dealing with how silly it is venting if you willand others even a few get hip to the jive great.

I think in many ways the continued lies and stories to the very community that worships you (not me) and messing up priceless hobby information that was complied by countless dedicated should prior is far worse than some ribbing and shots across the deck.

Cheers,

John

[botn]

Have to agree with John, Leon. Look back at threads in which Ted has ripped into guys for simply not agreeing with him. Never once saw you jump in and tell Ted publicly to take a time out when he went off.

So maybe you do not relate to the T206 research, which is odd for a type collector who admires the cataloging that took place so many decades ago, and seems a bit out of place for you to stick up for Ted who has brought this on himself. Frankly I think the guys are going easy on him considering how he has butchered research that was carefully put together by others.

Greg

[Leon]

Originally Posted by botn

Have to agree with John, Leon. Look back at threads in which Ted has ripped into guys for simply not agreeing with him. Never once saw you jump in and tell Ted publicly to take a time out when he went off.

So maybe you do not relate to the T206 research, which is odd for a type collector who admires the cataloging that took place so many decades ago, and seems a bit out of place for you to stick up for Ted who has brought this on himself. Frankly I think the guys are going easy on him considering how he has butchered research that was carefully put together by others.

Greg

Greg- As I just told someone in an email. I am taking the "enough is enough" approach here. I guess I get to make that decision. I do respect your comments and opinion though. regards

[barrysloate]

Hi John- I've haven't posted at all in this thread but I have been reading it very closely, as you know Ted is my longtime friend. Let me add my thoughts:

You and Jim R. and anyone else can disagree with Ted's theories or anything else you want. I will say I disagree with some of them too, and I know that he is wrong on the Nicholls card. I also think he should take a step back and not post so many of these theories. Sometimes he goes into overdrive and overdoes this stuff. You have my agreement there.

But I think your photoshop images of Ted have crossed the line. No need to belittle him in that manner, regardless how angry you are with him. You've put up lots of pictures of me but they were in good fun, and even if they poked fun at me I can have a little laugh at my own expense. But the images of Ted are insulting and weaken your position, not strengthen it. I also notice that the three quotes you have in your by-line (I forget the exact term for it) are all derogatory and aimed at Ted. Come on John, you are one of my favorite hobby people and you are a better man than that. If I may ask you a favor could you please remove them? Thank you. And that's it for me.