Nicholls SC150 649 OP CONTROVERSY

[marcdelpercio]

It is really impossible to prove that a card does NOT exist. I could claim that I own several previously uncatalogued T206 cards and nobody could prove that I don't. Logically, it would seem that anybody (especially one who truly wishes to research and document this set) who did own such an elusive card would be very eager to display it frequently or at least verify its existence.

It would be the equivalent of a prominent biologist who claimed to have captured a Yeti, but then refused to show the rest of the scientific community any evidence.

[Peter_Spaeth]

On the original thread, another collector stated that he too had put together a 35 card set (same number Ted identified including the card at issue).

#20 10-20-2008, 01:15 PM
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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted
Thanks guys.

I'm curious, if anyone else out there has completed this short series of T206's ?

TED Z





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#21 10-20-2008, 07:26 PM
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MISSION ACCOMPLISHED....Sweet Cap 150/fac 649 ovpt subset

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Posted By: Brian Weisner

Hi Ted,
Congrats.... I put that set together several years ago with the help of Scott Elkins. I think it was 2002 or 2003, but both of us put a set together.
Be well Brian


PS Hi Ted... too bad the number is 35 instead of 36 or it would really start your sheet discussion going...

PS 2 As you know this set is important when trying to find out "possible backs"...

[Abravefan11]

Peter - They put together a set of 34. They did not have a Nicholls.

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by marcdelpercio

It would be the equivalent of a prominent biologist who claimed to have captured a Yeti, but then refused to show the rest of the scientific community any evidence.

LOL dead on but in this case it's more like….. “opps you just missed the Yeti I just sold it....oh well maybe next time but trust me he’s out there keep looking for him you're bound to find him...but currently I'm the only superstar who has…how dare you question me!”



John

[cfc1909]

I want to say that this has really bothered me as I considered Ted a very close friend and this is baseball cards but he has crossed the line. I told him I was willing to forget all this and forgive him just don't expect me to believe all the claims of completing sets and subsets, it insults my intelligence. His answer was not good and can not be repeated here. Obviously our friendship is not very important...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias ...

[teetwoohsix]

Thanks for explaining the Nicholls SC150 649 OP situation guys. And I do understand that this is not an issue of just this card, but boils down to putting out bad info that you know is false, for whatever reason ?

I am one of the people who took whatever TedZ said as gospel when I first joined Net54,,,and I will say that I'm sure that I have learned alot from TedZ. But what bothers me is having to go back and re-check what I took as gospel- some of this stuff is very complicated to follow (and learn ).

I really enjoyed the way Tim C. was doing the SC lists awhile back, because it was an interactive way to compile the factual data- and if an input didn't sound right, at that point a scan for confirmation could be requested. Compiling a list and saying "it's been seen" doesn't jive........especially when proof cannot be found thereafter......

I see two ways to try to clear things up here (maybe).........

TedZ- did you scan your AB460's? If you did, please post them.

TedZ- if you didn't ever own the Nicholls card in question, just say you didn't. People make mistakes, it's part of life and I believe people respect people who own up to their mistakes. My 1 cent of opinion.

As far as the data on the confirmed lists.......what do we do now?

Sincerely, Clayton

[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by teetwoohsix

I see two ways to try to clear things up here (maybe).........

TedZ- did you scan your AB460's? If you did, please post them.

TedZ- if you didn't ever own the Nicholls card in question, just say you didn't. People make mistakes, it's part of life and I believe people respect people who own up to their mistakes. My 1 cent of opinion.



Sincerely, Clayton

+1. I've certainly made my share of mistakes, and a lot of guys here have been great teachers and storehouses of knowledge. Nobody's perfect. I guess I just hate to see the cross and nails coming out.

Best wishes to all my compadres here, including Ted, with whom I've had several interesting discussions on this board.

Larry

[mrvster]

Hello All,

I find this very very sad....i wish this wasn't transpiring.....we are all in this together.....compiling info....i haven't followed the back combos(since everyone knows i'm obsessed with the "freaks"), and I trust our hobby veterans info and contribute when i can....I have gotten along with pretty much all collectors here, i guess since i collect and don't really sell/ or rarely trade mine, i just try to aquire, I haven't had anyone "mad" at me, because i want to have fun and get along with everyone(libra hereLOL)....But this truly sadens me, there was no "motive" to make money here.....THIS TO ME IS CHILDISH!!


TED, IF THIS IS THE CASE, FESS UP!!!!!

LET'S MOVE ON!!!

we need to all try to stick together !!!

I respect people who admit their mistakes, and try to move forward....

this is shady.......


if this card doesn't show, no offense, but i have lost all respect for you Ted...


i'm not trying to "jump on the bandwagon" but no offense, i have tried to email you a few times just to talk about the cards, and you were never too receptive to me...no big deal, as my feelings weren't hurt too bad, i'm a big boy, and i guess i wasn't part of the "in crowd" and maybe did'nt have enough knowledge about combos for you, i'm just a "fringe" collector, but at least i tried to be friendly a few times and extend myself....even tho, i always respected your"hard" work and have always posted or congradulated you, but now i have lost respect if you can't admit a "mistake"

DUDE!!

COME ON!!!

your not fooling anyone but yourself....

i'm far from perfect myself, give up the charade and come clean, we are all adults....


John

[cfc1909]

For anybody that may think Ted is being crucified or this threads sole purpose is to make him look bad needs to know that he has been asked, begged and pleaded with for 10 months privately to correct this. As recently as the Oaks show I told him to just admit that he didn't own the Nicholls card, remove it from the list and we could all move on. He has chosen to continue to put out bad information and in spite of all my efforts to get him to do the right thing as a last resort I brought it to the boards attention.