Rare T206 Tinker on E-bay???

[Bob Lemke]

Tinker closeup.jpg
The owner of this card has contacted me and sent scans showing it has been graded 1.5 by PSA.

I'm adding comparitive scans of the affected area.

I'm in the camp of those who think the eBay listings at $60K was a grab for attention/information rather than for cash.

It looks to me like the CUBS was legitimately printed over whatever was originally on the jersey. But it also looks to be like there is a letter or something else after what is purported to be the O of CHICAGO.

I'm posting this on my blog to seek further input. In the absence of other examples, I have to think this is an uncatalogable anomaly rather than a true variation, but if more were to surface, I think the hobby would have to consider whether there is a "new" variation among T206.
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[rp12367]

Bob, Thanks for the update and news. Will be interesting to see if more than this one ever comes to see the light of day... Ralph

[GoldenAge50s]

But it also looks to be like there is a letter or something else after what is purported to be the O of CHICAGO.

I agree w/ Bob on this---What could that possibly be after the O? Certainly looks like another letter. In examining the original I see no hint of a uniform wrinkle in that area.

Until this is explained I am still dubious about the card being unaltered in some way.

[nolemmings]

maybe what you believe to be the "O" is actually the "G", with the O to follow.

[GoldenAge50s]

That very well could be it! Why wasn't I sharp enough to think of that? But then again, that's why I come here--to learn from all the great thinkers!

Originally Posted by Bob Lemke

I'm posting this on my blog to seek further input. In the absence of other examples, I have to think this is an uncatalogable anomaly rather than a true variation, but if more were to surface, I think the hobby would have to consider whether there is a "new" variation among T206.

Yep and while you are adding more T206 variations why not add the T205 ones also that are well known like the Doc White quotes, and no quotes. Or the new Miller B, D and erased B to look like a D?????? I also know of 2 others. What are they of no importance for the hobby??????

[fkw]

I sure hope this "thing" is not added to the book... yet

I would never consider that a variation unless I saw 2 of them.... with the same back.

Also what does the flip say? Did PSA completely miss the "CHLIOP" or whatever that is, or did they note it on the flip??

Any why cant it be scanned decently?? I have a $50 scanner that can scan super closeup high quality scans, and these images posted are so low quality and way too small....

[nolemmings]

I believe that if Tinker had buttoned his jersey to the top, the second "C" would be obvious, the "I" might appear more prominent and that the word Chicago would be clear. I can make out the "A", and as I mentioned before, I believe the "O" that troubles people is actually the "G", with the last letter being the "O", distorted by the wrinkle in the uniform.

According to Okkonen, here is what the Cubs uniform looked like in 1906 (same in '05 with pocket, larger lettering in '07).



Curiously, the team did not sport "Cubs" on their jerseys in the manner shown on T206 until after 1911, at least in the regular season.

[Abravefan11]

All of the Chicago National cards that were issued during the first printing group (150-350) of the T206 set had the "CUBS" logo.



When the first group of images were discontinued and the next group (350 Only) began production the Chicago National cards featured the vertical "CHICAGO" down the shirt.



This second logo was featured on all other Chicago National cards issued for the remainder of the T206 set. No Chicago National subject featured in the set has "CHICAGO" across the chest.

I understand that a Schulte proof with "CHICAGO" across the chest exists and that an early Tinker proof design could of conceivably had "CHICAGO" as well. But I find it highly unlikely that the remnants of a previous design would make it through the proofing process and to production. I honestly don't know what's going on with this card. It's very intriguing.

[teetwoohsix]

I just scanned this out of Lew Lipset's Encyclopedia of Baseball Cards Vol.3....the photo in the book is black and white, and my scanner is a dud, but just to compare........

[Bob Lemke]

With about a year until the next deadline, there will be no rush to add the card in question to the T206 listings in the Standard Catalog. I, too, await the confirmation of the existence of one or more additional examples.

Until/unless that happens, this card is an anomaly, not a variation.

The scans in mypost are not scans I made. In the case of the CUBS/CHICAGO card, the scan is a blow-up from the scan sent me by the card's owner. The CUBS scan is a blow-up from a card on an auction site.

As for the T205 John D./John B. Miller . . . I have submitted that addition for the 2012 book, but since I am not hands-on in regards to changes in the data base, I can't promise it will be included.