peck & snyder help please

[Delray Vintage]

Kevin is the Goodwin one a Peck and Snyder or is Sgc label a mistake?

[Baseball Rarities]

Originally Posted by Delray Vintage

Kevin is the Goodwin one a Peck and Snyder or is Sgc label a mistake?

The one in Goodwin does not have Peck and Snyder advertising. It only has printing on the back that identifies all of the players. I do not know what the "bulk" cdv's that were offered for sale on the back of the Peck and Snyder cdv's look like on the back. They may have just been generic like the one in Goodwin's auction. No way to tell who issued it.

Through the years, out of error, laziness or for simplicty, all 1869 Cincinnati cards have been referred to as "Peck and Snyders' no matter the advertisement on the back, which is where the confusion comes from.

[Delray Vintage]

What is really confusing is that REA has a CDV without a P&S designation on the SGC graded card while SGC called the Goodwin one P&S.

[barrysloate]

I used to think the P & S trade cards predated the CdV's, but I agree with Kevin and now feel the CdV's are the true rookie cards. Of course, since several different establishments issued them it's pretty difficult to determine which one was the very first.

[GaryPassamonte]

I believe SGC may have given the Goodwin as well as the current Heritage Red's CdVs the P&S designation based on the print type and format. The Heritage example has a Chadwick advertisement instead of a P&S ad on the reverse, but the format is almost identical to the known P&S CdVs. The American News on 117, 119, and 123 Nassau St was the agent. It appears The American News was the printer and distributor of the P&S CdVs as well as others with a silmilar print style on the reverse. The Cincinnati team was very famous in America in 1869. The American News cashed in on this popularity.

[Delray Vintage]

Thanks Gary it sounds like a plausible reason for SGC label as P&S. I see the Heritage one has an address unlike Goodwin so typeface would be only way to attribute it to P&S. I only see one clear P&S reverse on a CDV sold by Mile High in 2010.