T card era cigarette packs

[tedzan]

It's my understanding that the White-bordered T42 cards were issued in 1910. Then American Litho. (ALC) followed with
their Gold-bordered version of the T42 cards in 1911, of which OLD MILL was one of the T-brand backs.

The T80 cards are not a 1910 issue. Two ALC letters, dated Feb 16, 1911 and Mar 18, 1911, specifying that a T80 card
and a T206 card were to be inserted in each LENOX, TOLSTOI, and UZIT packs containing 10 cigarettes each. All three
of these cigarette brands were produced in Factory #30 (NYC). The other two brands associated with T80's are CAIRO
MONOPOL and OLD MILL. However, T80's with these two backs are very scarce and it is fair to conclude that very few
T80's were also inserted in these packs.

Considering the date (June 12, 1911) on your OLD MILL pack, my guess is that it most likely contained two T42 cards.

Pardon me, if you already knoww all this stuff. But, I really do not think T206 cards were found in OLD MILL packs in the
Summer of 1911. By then, T206's were history....ALC was busy cranking out their new cards such as T201's, T205's, etc.


TED Z

[canjond]

Bumping this old thread, but wanted to share a neat little "find" that I know at least a few on this board are aware of (and a big thanks to Alan for pointing them out). A gentleman on the non-sports forum had purchased a collection of flattened and trimmed turn of the century cigarette packs a few years back I believe (at least I do not believe it is a recent purchase). His collection contained many amazing flattened and trimmed packs, but also yielded two really exciting items. The first is a Red Sun flattened pack. This Red Sun pack pre-dates the card issue by a few years (as the brand was still owned by Butler and Butler), but it's one of only 2 Red Sun packs I've ever seen. In fact, the first one I have ever seen was just 2 months ago.



The second pack is much more interesting in my book. Below is the first image of what I consider a "true" T206 style Hindu pack. As many on here have seen before, Hindu advertised the release of baseball cards in newspapers in 1909 (see an example below). Depicted in these ads was a drawn representation of the cigarette pack which supposedly yielded the cards. However, this exact style of pack had never been seen before. Curiously enough, a different style of Hindu pack had been discovered, but had different graphics and was a more elongated style. These elongated packs are extremely rare in their own right. Until recently, I had only known of 1 of these, but since have heard of 2 more. Anyways, I thought some others on here would enjoy finally seeing a Hindu pack in full color.






(please note this Hindu pack is NOT mine).

[Vol]

Jon, thanks for bumping this thread and sharing even more packs. This is still one of my most favorite threads, so much great information here. That Hindu cig newspaper ad is very cool. New Orleans newspaper I see.
Thanks again.

[DixieBaseball]

Jon,

Thanks so much for sharing the info on both packs ! Nice to finally see both.... Out of curiosity, did the other Red Sun pack you saw a few months back look like the one you just posted ? (what was the date on it ?)

Thanks, Jeremy

[canjond]

Jeremy - I have a TINY scan of it which I can post tomorrow (unfortunately on a different computer). I recall it being slightly different than the one I post above, although it does not exactly match the graphics of the remake. The above pack is from around 1906-07. Not sure when the other pack dates from.

[Bridwell]

Congrats, Jon, and thanks for posting. That Hindu pack is fantastic! Are you the owner of the Hindu pack with the Elephant?

[canjond]

Jeremy - here is the best I could do with the other Red Sun pack. It was part of a large lot and I was not able to secure a scan of the individual pack. However, it can clearly be seen. This was the first time I had ever seen one. Below are the two scans side by side. It's interesting how different the graphics are (and how they changed over such a relatively short period of time). Both packs are, without question, the same Red Sun brand that produced T211s. My guess, however, is that the more colorful pack probably dates to the 1910-1915 era, while the less colorful pack is 1906-07 (pre-ATC acquisition). After Butler was acquired by ATC, Red Sun production would have been shifted to New Orleans. It's interesting to note that the colorful Red Sun pack actually states this on the side - just like the pack of T211s.