Satchell Paige, Bill Veeck rookie cards?--Genuine?--See update/thread #10.

[Rob D.]

Speaking only of the Indians issues, because those are the ones I collect, I can say that it's not hard at all to find them in very nice condition. Complete sets were issued in envelopes and often are found still in them in almost untouched condition. When I was putting together my collection and found off-condition examples, I always passed because I knew near-pristine ones were readily available. Can't speak to how other team issues were packaged.

Complete sets of Indians issues aren't tough to find and usually can be picked up in their original envelopes for $50-$75.

I've never considered these to be cards.

[GoldenAge50s]

Complete sets were issued in envelopes and often are found still in them in almost untouched condition.

Rob---

Would you say 95% of them are that way?

[novakjr]

Originally Posted by GoldenAge50s

Complete sets were issued in envelopes and often are found still in them in almost untouched condition.

Rob---

Would you say 95% of them are that way?

I'd personally say no. Especially with the Indians issues. I've only seen a handful of sets, while a simple ebay search(completed listings as well) will show a good amount of single Satchels. I believe alot more of these were broken up for individual sale, as they contain rookies(depending on your views) of Satchel, Lemon, Doby along with a bunch of other stars. Individually these sets are worth a lot more broken up, especially considering that most Satchels are way overpriced, often times sold(or attempted to sell) at what the whole set can be had for.

[tedzan]

As a kid in the late 1940's, I acquired my picture packs at Yankee Stadium. The Dodgers and Giants picture packs were given to me by neighbors (who got
them at Ebbets Field or the Polo Grounds).

I can't speak for the Indians picture pack, as I acquired mine back in 1989. So, to answer your question....I do not recall seeing any cardboard versions like
yours. Perhaps, Frank Ward will chime in here, he is quite knowledgeable on such stuff.

Here are some more of my pictures with associated BB cards.

These pictures were the first BB player images in the post-WWII era....and, served as source pictures for the 1947 Bond Bread cards, 1948 Blue Tint cards,
and, 1949 & 1950 Bowman cards.











TED Z

[dougscats]

Thanks for all your input.

I checked out the Standard Catalog, Ted, and the ones I have are less than half the size of the specifications in the book [Mine measure 2 1/2" x 3 1/2" rather than the 6 1/2" x 9" specified in the Catalog].

Now the seller listed them as a "Photo Pack" as opposed to the Catalog's "Picture Pack." To tell you the truth, I was surprised when I got these--they're real cards, cardboard--I'd been expecting the bigger, paper photographs.

So, now I'm left with the question as to whether these are genuine 1948, or whether, more probably, they were reprinted. I'm suspecting they are reprints, as they measure exactly the same as the cookie-cutter dimensions of almost all cards since 1957, and I don't think that those exact dimensions were ever used before 1957.

Would a black-light help me here?

Thanks again.

Doug

[novakjr]

Oh, the smaller ones. Did you buy them from a seller in Painesville, Oh on ebay? If so, that's one of the local card/game dealers. I told him a while ago that they were a reprint set. I think his might've been bigger than the dimensions you specified, I'm not sure though. I believe these were an anniversary giveaway at an Indians game.

[Matt]

the smaller card sized issues were sold at Indians games in Municipal Stadium for many years starting in the 1980s.

[novakjr]

Originally Posted by Matt

the smaller card sized issues were sold at Indians games in Municipal Stadium for many years starting in the 1980s.

I knew it was something along those lines. My buddy got ripped on what he thought was a 1957 Sohio set this way. For some reason he thought they were just a smaller version of the set from '57.

[Rob D.]

Originally Posted by dougscats

Thanks for all your input.

I checked out the Standard Catalog, Ted, and the ones I have are less than half the size of the specifications in the book [Mine measure 2 1/2" x 3 1/2" rather than the 6 1/2" x 9" specified in the Catalog].

Now the seller listed them as a "Photo Pack" as opposed to the Catalog's "Picture Pack." To tell you the truth, I was surprised when I got these--they're real cards, cardboard--I'd been expecting the bigger, paper photographs.

So, now I'm left with the question as to whether these are genuine 1948, or whether, more probably, they were reprinted. I'm suspecting they are reprints, as they measure exactly the same as the cookie-cutter dimensions of almost all cards since 1957, and I don't think that those exact dimensions were ever used before 1957.

Would a black-light help me here?

Thanks again.

Doug

During the great run the Indians had in the 1990s, the 1948 set was reprinted and reissued in the form you describe. Also, full-size sets were reissued, but the stock was much whiter than the originals.

[novakjr]

Originally Posted by Rob D.

During the great run the Indians had in the 1990s, the 1948 set was reprinted and reissued in the form you describe. Also, full-size sets were reissued, but the stock was much whiter than the originals.

It wasn't exactly full size. They were a little smaller(maybe by a half inch or so) and were more of a grainy photo-copy like printing on a pure white stock. I believe there were also some straight bleed lines from the corners of the photos that extended into the borders.

[Rob D.]

Originally Posted by novakjr

It wasn't exactly full size. They were a little smaller(maybe by a half inch or so) and were more of a grainy photo-copy like printing on a pure white stock. I believe there were also some straight bleed lines from the corners of the photos that extended into the borders.

OK. Full size, as in not the size of baseball cards like the previously mentioned ones.

Thanks.

[novakjr]

Originally Posted by Rob D.

OK. Full size, as in not the size of baseball cards like the previously mentioned ones.

Thanks.

I knew what you were meaning, but wanted to be a little more specific for anyone that's not as familiar with the issue.

[Rob D.]

Originally Posted by novakjr

I knew what you were meaning, but wanted to be a little more specific for anyone that's not as familiar with the issue.

Absolutely. I should originally have been more specific.