Maris, Mantle, Tresh, Yankees Ball

[RichardSimon]

Leon - he uses JSA a lot.
Can you ask him why he did not use JSA on these baseballs?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Leon - he uses JSA a lot.
Can you ask him why he did not use JSA on these baseballs?

The email I just now sent him is below- I didn't want to totally paint him into a corner so left him an out. His response, or not, when he responds .


"Hi Frank
Someone asked why you didn't use JSA on those balls? IF you would like to answer it would be great. If not, I understand
thanks
leon"

[Leon]

I will paraphrase Frank's response for the same reason as before. It is not taken out of context and this is a cut and paste of part of his response. I do believe this will be his last. Anyone is able to contact him themselves, if they so desire- (I took out the prices he paid on purpose)

" I have over 300 items un- certed on ebay - it was my decision just to auction some of these baseballs - i can't buy them for xxx - xxx apiece and then 75-100 for jsa - theres no profit - if the buyer dosen't want to bid because he or she dosen't like them - don't bid"



He reiterated he stands behind them. regards

[GrayGhost]

Well, the fact he stands by them is very good, but again, I'm just surprised he couldn't tell how bad they are. Well, he'll just have to let the auctions run, and refund the winning bidders, unless they don't know what they are looking at.

[thetruthisoutthere]

It is obvious that the people bidding on that stuff do not know autographs (the typical Ebay autograph buyer) and they probably aren't even aware of JSA or PSA.

They are just looking for a inexpensive (cheap) Mantle autograph. I am shocked that Ebay hasn't pulled those auctions.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Leon, nice job contacting Frank, although we are very disappointed in his response.

By the way, Frank, what do you mean by "sour grapes?" "Sour grapes" about what? I saw a bunch of ugly forgeries and I exposed them as I would any other seller on Ebay selling horrific autographs. Even if you didn't want to have them certed by JSA why didn't you at the very least submit them to "Quick Opinion" and post the result in your auction if you are so confident they are authentic?

I see the bidding is on fire on those auctions. That Mantle/Aaron ball is at a whopping $31.00 with 9 hours to go. All of the Mantle autograph collectors are jumping all over it.

Frank, if I had a autograph auction up on Ebay in which the authenticity was questioned by a few of the members here, I would immediately remove the auction and have it checked by other knowledgeable collectors before I relisted it. There hasn't been one positive response to your four (4) auctions, Frank. I'm curious why you haven't responded to all of the posts here.

I recall you posting a thread about a Connie Mack cut signature. Why didn't you do the same with those Mantle, Maris, Tresh, Berra, Aaron, etc. autographed baseballs?

[thetruthisoutthere]

Frank, I assume you will also refund the buyer's authentication fees if by chance they get wind of this thread and decide to send their ball or baseballs to JSA or PSA?

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by Leon

I will paraphrase Frank's response for the same reason as before. It is not taken out of context and this is a cut and paste of part of his response. I do believe this will be his last. Anyone is able to contact him them self if they want to- (I took out the prices he paid on purpose)

" I have over 300 items un- certed on ebay - it was my decision just to auction some of these baseballs - i can't buy them for xxx - xxx apiece and then 75-100 for jsa - theres no profit - if the buyer dosen't want to bid because he or she dosen't like them - don't bid"



He reiterated he stands behind them. regards

I'd like to know why he bought that garbage. Just another case of another hobby store owner who doesn't know autographs; but even someone who doesn't know autographs would be hesitant to buy THOSE autographs. They are miserably and horribly ugly.

[RichardSimon]

But Frank,,, doesn't a JSA cert mean that you will get a higher price when you sell the item??
That is the hobby scuttlebutt,,, I am not saying that myself.

[novakjr]

I've run across this thread a few times and didn't even bother looking. Just figured it was the typical iffy signatures that we all notice everyday. Anyways, I was bored and a little insomniatic tonight, and decided to open it for the hell of it. And Holy Crap, are these bad! WOW, is all I can say. These honestly made me laugh...

[thetruthisoutthere]

Here are the final bid prices for those auctions by Ebay seller "Frankjprisco."

Item number 140529677445 (Mantle signed baseball): $153.50

Item number 140529678453 (Mantle signed baseball): $153.50

Item number 140529697485 (Mantle/Aaron signed baseball): $45.55

Item number 130503389364 (Mantle, Maris, Tresh, Maris, etc) signed baseball): $228.50

Those four auctions will make a nice intro for my next video.

[gnaz01]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

Here are the final bid prices for those by Ebay seller "Frankjprisco."

Item number 140529677445 (Mantle signed baseball): $153.50

Item number 140529678453 (Mantle signed baseball): $153.50

Item number 140529697485 (Mantle/Aaron signed baseball): $45.55

Item number 130503389364 (Mantle, Maris, Tresh, Maris, etc) signed baseball): $228.50

Those four auctions will make a nice intro to my next video.

And I cannot wait to see it. I always look forward to your YouTube videos, they are awesome. Keep up the good work, Chris.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

Here are the final bid prices for those by Ebay seller "Frankjprisco."

Item number 140529677445 (Mantle signed baseball): $153.50

Item number 140529678453 (Mantle signed baseball): $153.50

Item number 140529697485 (Mantle/Aaron signed baseball): $45.55

Item number 130503389364 (Mantle, Maris, Tresh, Maris, etc) signed baseball): $228.50

Those four auctions will make a nice intro to my next video.

Multiple bidders on every one of those items,,, what can I say??
The buyer who won the multi signed ball has a feedback of 2,, another example of a knowledgable colletor I am sure.

[thetruthisoutthere]

I went back to check on the links to these four auctions and evidently they have been "Voided" by Ebay.

[GrayGhost]

Interesting Chris... Anyways, any idea when your next vid will be up?

[Piedmont Sport]

While I think its great that we regulate ourselves and protect the hobby we all love. I try and do my very best to ensure each customer is satisfied and receives every item as described. Here is a quick note and a few pictures to help explain why I chose to stay out of the hater group. Its easy to challenge and pick on items without giving any explanation as to why you believe they are not authentic signatures. We try and send as much as we can to PSA, JSA, Beckett and SGC. Our inventory is so large that it becomes impossible to get a third party opinion on every item. So many times we make our decisions based on our knowledge and where the item originated from. These baseball that were in question came from a relative of former umpire Jim Honochick. So I have attached the Mickey Mantle, Hank Aaron ball. The Mantle ball was addressed to Harold Caplan. I have also attached another ball that I purchased approximately six months ago from the same family member signed by Ted Williams and again addressed to Harold Caplan. The Williams ball I had JSA certify, when Spence came to our shop. After the auctions were removed, I just wanted to get a quick opinion on the Mantle, Aaron ball since Chris Williams said both the Mantle and the Aaron were horrible. PSA and JSA quick opinioned the Aaron and said that it was perfect. They both said they would need a closer look at the Mantle. I am going to give PSA this ball and post their decision when I receive it. I had no intention of ever taking advantage of anyone, if anyone choses to come into my shop and review my inventory I welcome it. I also post our toll free number 888.767.5090 and welcome any questions on any of my items before purchasing. There is not one person on this forum who ever bothered to call me. Everyone hid behind their computers and just ragged on some of my items. I find that completely disturbing and its one reason I refuse to respond while the auctions were running. I do want to end saying I think Chris Williams as well as many others do a great job on the bogus stuff listed on Ebay as well as auctions who continue to list manufactured items jerseys baseballs autographs etc. I applaud your effort. So I again welcome anyone to visit me at any convention, come into my shop and inspect my items. I am proud of what I do and I stand behind every item I sell. Please review the pictures and call me if you need. Everyone rips Spence and PSA/DNA and put themselves out there as they are the lone expert. to error is human and I can tell you I have letters of apology from both companies listed above on their errors. Its has become my choice to move away from many of the so called main line autographs, such as DiMaggio, Williams, Mantle, Mays, Ali and Ruth. My main focus has now shifted to memorabilia and photographs.