Goodwin Auction is open + Peck & Snyder Discussion

[barrysloate]

I just got off the phone with Mark Rucker, who was the original owner of the Creighton trade card. He said he is certain that the biography and ad on the back were not pasted on, but were part of the original trade card as issued. I asked him why John Thorn believed that the back was glued on and he said John was in error.

So we can now say with confidence that this was issued by Peck and Snyder. What is still uncertain is when it was made. Based on Gary's discovery that the company moved to Nassau Street in 1870, my guess is all the known baseball images were issued around that date. And it also appears that the first images of the Red Stockings available to the public were the CdV's with the Ann Street address. But I also recognize that this may not be entirely correct.

[oldjudge]

Barry-Based on Gary's article I'd bet the Creighton came after the team cards. Maybe for the 25th anniversary of Creighton's death (just kidding Corey).

[barrysloate]

Maybe it was made for the centennial in 1962.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Barry-Based on Gary's article I'd bet the Creighton came after the team cards. Maybe for the 25th anniversary of Creighton's death (just kidding Corey).

I dunno Jay. I saw one at Target yesterday...Right next to the Topps cards.

[oldjudge]

Yah, I bought a pack and got the Harry Wright signed telegram chase card with my Creighton.

[GaryPassamonte]

I contacted John Thorn today and he said the reverse of the Creighton was in tatters and that Mark and he struggled to read the biography. He said the back looked like it had been removed from a scrapbook. He also said he was under the impression the biography had been pasted on, but with the passing of so many years since viewing the card in 1983, he couldn't be sure.

[barrysloate]

Mark had the card in his possession for around ten years, from roughly 1985 to 1995. John Thorn may have seen it once. I am going to go with Mark's memory on this one. Yes, it is tattered, but I believe the back was printed with the card.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Mark had the card in his possession for around ten years, from roughly 1985 to 1995. John Thorn may have seen it once. I am going to go with Mark's memory on this one. Yes, it is tattered, but I believe the back was printed with the card.

Hey Barry or Corey,
Have either of ya'll, or anyone in this thread, ever seen another 19th century card with the back printed anything like that?
Great discussion, by the way.

[benjulmag]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Mark had the card in his possession for around ten years, from roughly 1985 to 1995. John Thorn may have seen it once. I am going to go with Mark's memory on this one. Yes, it is tattered, but I believe the back was printed with the card.

I am reasonably certain that is correct. The fact that I have no vivid memory of anything peculiar about the verso suggests the bio was printed onto the card. Had it instead been pasted on, that is something I believe would have stood out about the card and stayed in my memory.