Made a "HUGE" PCL Find Today...Need Help identifying year and players

[slidekellyslide]

Thanks for everyone's help here...A Portland collector emailed me the identities of the players.

It is the 1909 team


Top row - Ed Kennedy; Fred Harkness; Otis Johnson; Fred Graney; Walter McCredie
Middle row - Tom Murray; Tom Seaton; Ivy Olson; Jess Garrett; George Ort
Front row - Ditch Armbruster; Ed Willett; Buddy Ryan; Dick Breen; Al Carson

[Vintagecatcher]

What I find interesting is that the player wearing the Oakland Oaks sweater,and identified as Otis Johnson by the "Portland Collector," looks to be also on David's PC. On David's postcard he is wearing a Portland uniform. Logically, that would suggest that Dan's photo pre-dates David's PC. To further complicate the matter, I couldn't find any record of Otis Johnson ever playing for the Oakland Oaks.

Any thoughts on this?

Here are the cropped images of the player identified as Otis Johnson from both sources. It looks to be the same player to me. It also looks to be an Oaks sweater?


Patrick

[bmarlowe1]

Photo posted by Kawika:
Portland PCL 1909

Spec Harkness, Roy Willett, Jess Garrett, Otis Johnson, Buddy Ryan, Walt McCredie

Ivy Olsen, Bill Speas, George Ort

Charlie Ambruster, Jack Fornier, Jack Graney, Dick Breen, Al Carson

Dan's source ID's for his photo look good to me. Great find.

[Vintagecatcher]

Although I wasn't able to find any evidence that Otis "Ote" Johnson was traded from Oakland to Portland, I did notice that several of his team members on the 1907 Portland team had been traded from Oakland to Portland, namely catcher Jimmy Byrnes and outfielder John Bassey.

Since he did spend part of the time pitching, perhaps the sweater was nothing more than Otis keeping his pitching arm warm. A sweater he picked up from one of his team mates...perhaps a sweater that he won in a poker game between PCL cities.

It's a stretch, but it's all I've got.

Any thoughts?


Patrick

[Jacklitsch]

It may be the 1909 team but the picture was taken in or around March, 1910.

Anyone notice that it is not the same picture as the PC though they were taken minutes apart.

Very nice pickup.

[bmarlowe1]

Originally Posted by Jacklitsch

Anyone notice that it is not the same picture as the PC though they were taken minutes apart..

It's not just that it's a different picture, the cast of characters is not the same.