Name That Grade Game Is Over NO WINNER!!!

[cliftons8]

3
3
2(mk)
3(mc)
3(mc)

[kcohen]

I have no idea but .....


Psa 5.5
psa 2
psa 3 (mk)
psa 4.5 (mc)
psa 4 (mc)

[lharri3600]

i'm going to end this early. nice effort by all !
and the winner is????????????
NO ONE
here are the scans:

[E93]

THat Hinchman makes me fear another WIWAG fiasco is going on. 2 or 3 graders and an encapsulator cannot all miss the centering on this.
JimB

[egbeachley]

The graders must have thought the Hinchman was a 1954 Topps at first.

[Leon]

As Jim said, it's sort of hard to believe those grades. I would seriously be checking the seams on the holders. If they are correct and entered into a PSA database (I presume they have one), then their graders must have had an off day when grading those? regards

[barrysloate]

Sure looks like five overgraded cards.

[npa589]

A very crafty, poignant way of showing how PSA is awful.

You might as well have sent these cards to BCCG.

[Matt E.]

Nvm

[Leon]

Originally Posted by npa589

A very crafty, poignant way of showing how PSA is awful.

You might as well have sent these cards to BCCG.

BCCG wouldn't grade those and BVG would have got them correct.

[glchen]

There's a recent thread on the PSA forum where the posters think that cases like the Hinchman are data entry errors: Linky

I think the Bescher is actually okay. The paper loss cards are bad, but I think the most hideous miss is actually the Lajoie. Unless it's another data entry error, I don't know how they could miss such an obvious MK qualifier.

[cfc1909]

Actually I remember that Hindu from ebay-I don't think you own that card Larry. Correct?

I am pretty sure I know the winner and PSA contacted them and asked him to ship the card back to them.

[npa589]

Yea, it was a joke...

You send in a card to BCCG, they draw a number from 6-10 out of a hat and assign that grade to the card. You're essentially paying for a holder when you send to BCCG. The idea of BCCG is just funny to me, it's like that "Gem Mint" company, or those other ones that don't really even have a name - just a cheaply printed blue label with the card name. Ha...

In my short experience - I definitely agree with you about BVG. I even think BVG tends to undergrade. I have a bunch of BVG graded cards. I love the holders, and all of them are extremely presentable with grades that would probably be a grade or so higher with PSA.

Originally Posted by Leon

BCCG wouldn't grade those and BVG would have got them correct.

[lharri3600]

Right jim, I DON'T OWN THE CARD
DID THE OWNER SEND THE CARD BACK?

Originally Posted by cfc1909

actually i remember that hindu from ebay-i don't think you own that card larry. Correct?

I am pretty sure i know the winner and psa contacted them and asked him to ship the card back to them.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by Leon

BCCG wouldn't grade those...

Have they recently changed their policy? As of last year, they would have graded them.

[srs1a]

These examples are among the worst examples of misgrading that I've ever seen. Significant paper loss, stamps. obvious OCs and miscuts being missed -- these are obvious flaws and it is hard for me to understand how this could happen if the grader was awake (even if they were brutally hung over and hadn't gotten any skin for a year). Pitiful, absolutely pitiful.

[calvindog]

Looks like those cards need to be graded by someone who was born to grade.

[Matthew H]

I don't know what everyone's complaining about. If those cards were raw they'd all be mint+++ perfect candidates to send in for grading.

[CMIZ5290]

I only have one thing to say, unbelievable!! Tell me that it's not who you know at psa! How can the baker get a stragiht 4?? Hinchman a 5.5?? Marquard a 5 with serious paper loss? What does this all mean? The front of lajoie at best looks like a 4 not counting the ink on the back! Come on larry, are you messing with us???? Might be 3 or 4 of the worst grades i have ever seen.

[CMIZ5290]

Kind of agree with leon about bvg. I actually own a few high grades, and they all are extremely sharp. Sgc seems to be much more of a mystery to me.

[glynparson]

When you grade 10 million plus cards you're gonna have mistakes. I would be utterly shocked if Joe Orlando would not be willing to buy every single one of those cards back. I wish it was who you know to get better grades. I worked for Levi Bleam in the late 90's early 2000's and we submitted rediculously large number of cards each week and I honestly felt I receieved the same grading before I worked for him as well as after. Now the last 3-5 years I do feel they have gotten overly tough as a general rule. I think the 5.5 was supposed to be an mc and there was a data entry error, as someone who has actually done this I can tell you it happens. Those grades are all pathetic but like i said I see them as mistakes, we could show similar items from every company I gaurantee it. As for BVG, i trust Beckett very little on finding alterations, just my personal opinion. I know Leon has stated they've greatly improved in this area and I hope so as I've seen some atrocities in Beckett holders.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Anyone want to show the millions of cards (or more) that are graded correctly? I thought not.

[CW]

It's hard to be sure, but every card in the group appears to have what
may be frosted edges on the holder, except for the Bescher which looks
to have been graded correctly. The Home Run Baker is impossible to tell
from the scan, as it is scanned against a white background.

I'm not saying that PSA doesn't make horrible mistakes -- I've seen them --
but every card in this "poll" (other than the Baker and the Bescher) could
be residing within a compromised holder (ie. could've been switched out
with a different card). Just an observation.