JSA Story on Autographalert.com

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by Mr. Zipper

You strike me as someone who always needs to get the last word and picks everything apart, so I'll just amend my comment to:

JSA and PSA are far from perfect, but they are still right the vast majority of the time. Compare that to the track record of their critics.

And I'll leave it at that.

Steve Zarelli

It has nothing at all to do with the last word, and you can roll your eyes as much as you want. Your quantitative assessment given previously, and your qualitative assessment given above are nothing but opinions, pulled out of thin air. They are based on nothing substantial.

JSA and PSA get it right more often than they get it wrong. (I can't prove it, but I think all here will agree.) But the same can be said for anyone who's collected for a few years. The crucial thing, though, as Rhys pointed out, is that the third parties do not stand behind their opinions in any way.

[murphusa]

and they also get paid for their opinion

[PhilNap]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

The crucial thing, though, as Rhys pointed out, is that the third parties do not stand behind their opinions in any way.

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

No. She should buy from a reputable dealer, one who has "studied for years," and who fully guarantees his wares.

No third party required.

This is not always true. I had a good experience where PSA made good on a 9 year old mistake to the tune of $900.00.

And the piece in question was purchased (already authenticated by PSA) from a so-called reputable dealer, who despite his written guaranty refused to offer a refund. Had Joe Orlando not stepped in I would not have been made whole.

[David Atkatz]

Well, it was very nice of him to do that. But PSA's small print says they are in no way legally required to do so. When that small print is removed, and Mr Orlando puts into writing that he will guarantee PSA's opinion for every customer, I'll change my tune.

[Big Dave]

Read the story earlier and it is amazing. Sure does cast JSA in a very poor light.

[Scott Garner]

Interesting serve and volley in this thread guys....
Thanks!

[Mr. Zipper]

One can't help but wonder about the motives of the people running the referenced web site. It certainly appears that they wish to destroy and/or completely delegitimize PSA and JSA. And now it appears the new Autograph Quarterly magazine is backed by the same concerns and will be preaching a parallel message.

While they are admittedly far from perfect, does anyone really think the hobby would be better off without TPAs entirely?

Wouldn't constructive dialog and criticism be a better approach than an attack web site run by [supposedly] anonymous parties?

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by Mr. Zipper

While they are admittedly far from perfect, does anyone really think the hobby would be better off without TPAs entirely?

I do!

[Redsoxrule]

Originally Posted by Mr. Zipper

One can't help but wonder about the motives of the people running the referenced web site. It certainly appears that they wish to destroy and/or completely delegitimize PSA and JSA. And now it appears the new Autograph Quarterly magazine is backed by the same concerns and will be preaching a parallel message.

While they are admittedly far from perfect, does anyone really think the hobby would be better off without TPAs entirely?

Wouldn't constructive dialog and criticism be a better approach than an attack web site run by [supposedly] anonymous parties?

Right you are zipper
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Is "Sharpie" Steve Koschal?

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