T206 green portrait Cobb centering....SURVEY....updated

[cfc1909]

I have refrained from posting but here ya go

First let me say there is no discredit campaign. No one will find any evidence of this anywhere. Also Ted and I, along with a few other collectors have made great progress on the T206 set over the past several years that he takes full credit for. The credit does not bother me, it is the inaccuracies.

Unfortunately several things have happened during the last year that has made it necessary for me to distance myself from Ted. I have kept these situations private between Ted and myself but he continues to believe that I am attempting to discredit him and he posts these beliefs publicly on the board. So after posting my name in this thread with allegations of me conspiring against him I feel forced to have to at least acknowledge the situation though it is not what I wanted to happen.


Anyone that knows me knows that I am a positive person. They also know that T206 tough backs and the research of the set are what I enjoy. Most important to me are the facts and keeping the information as accurate as possible for the benefit of all collectors. I don’t have any desire to be considered a T206 expert or a Net54 superstar. Unfortunately the same can’t be said for Ted as he has knowingly put out misinformation about the T206 set and when this was brought to his attention rather than correct his mistake he went to great lengths to maintain his position including crossing ethical lines and I will not be associated with this behavior. These actions are not only unnecessary but detrimental to the progress we have made over the last several years.


It is not my goal to come onto the board and air out all of the details of this and other situations that happened between Ted and myself or to try and discredit him in any way. I do have more than enough information to back up the things that I say and hopefully will not be pushed any further and this can all just go away without additional posts, hard feelings, or negativity.


Lastly Ted believes that I am the cause for separate disagreements he is having with several long time hobby friends however it is Ted and his actions that are the common link in all of these situations not me.


I’d like to get back to discussing cards and focusing on the positive in the hobby.

[wonkaticket]

Ted,

You never cease to amaze or shall I say underwhelm me.

Let’s address these comments to you from private.

"I use to post occassionaly on Net54 several years ago when there was meaningful content in T206 threads. In the past year or so, there is less content and more contention."

Very little info from members is posted in regards to T206 I would say there is quite a bit.

Speaking for myself I have contributed the following off the top of my head.

• Worked with 2 other collectors (Jim R & Dan M) and was instrumental in debunking and proving T206mususem and its owner were involved in producing fake cards, saving auction houses, collectors and TPG’s ten's of thousands of dollars. Also correcting several cards that were added wrongly due to being fake.

• Worked to point out the Cycle 350 Nodgrass fake auction saving collectors thousands and correcting another card in the hobby that was bad.

• Recently pointed out the cleaned Plank in the Paragon auction.

• Posted a detailed post on Brown Old Mill cards.

• Shared countless images, including 2 BL460’s, Brown Old Mill, Complete back set, other tough backs, complete Murphy back run, Demmit & O’Hara cards and countless other pickups.

• Helped you update your Carolina Bright thread by posting and showing an unknown example.

There’s plenty more Ted but you seem to want to paint me and others as armatures and having no real contribution to this forum other than being mean to you.

Which leads me to your contributions while we are discussing what folks bring.

Ted you seem to love to post these confirmed lists, many times you post these confirmed list with little to mention of what their origins are.

Most if not all of your lists came from other members and their research of which you post many times as your own. That’s annoying and a little arrogant but what kills me is many times you are adding information that is questionable at best.

When asked by folks of the community we are told you have been told offline by unknown collectors. Many of us hold issue with that as mistakes can be made this way via bad memories or just flat out right fabrications to you.

That makes some of these surveys about as firm as McLovin's ID.



Folks some time want to tell fishing stories to get attention. This should be no new news to you It’s clear you crave the attention that is why so many of these threads get bumped with little to no new info added.

But when unknown examples of obscure cards or normal cards are being added to a list which many members he will use as a collecting guideline to learn and begin projects we owe it to them to make sure that information is ironclad. Ted your current system is far from that and when it’s pointed out to you either constructively or directly it’s brushed off as us nobody’s questioning the great Ted Z.

A perfect example for the readers out there,this very thread has nothing to do with hobby advancement it’s all about Ted trying to prove a number he can’t prove that you shouldn’t have been tossing around in the first place. Now he’s putting up a classic smoke screen drawing attention away making it out that I and several others are picking on him.

Facts are Ted is lying in this very thread and twisting information or ignoring info given to prove his point not prove a hobby point only Ted’s point.

Ted I’m not alone several folks have told me they feel the same way not that really matters. I feel this way regardless of others and I'm calling you out they can chime in if they feel the need to support or say thier peace.

One of our board members took it upon himself (Not Jim, Dan, Me or anyone else you may think before you start blowing off) to create a fake email and back story.



He sent you the below email today. Also is your reply.

Readers digest;

Ted got a fake email sent from one of our fellow members today. (Paraphrased)

Dear Mr. Blank.,

I read the Net54 but never write anything there. Too many a-holes who wouldn't know a T206 from a teacup. I've been collecting sonce before probably even you bought your first card. Wanted to let you know I have five green Cobbs --- 3 Pied 150s and 2 Sweet Caps 350. All three of the Pieds are offcenter --- two of them left to right and the other right to left. The Seet Caps are pretty decent. Tell those guys to put that in their pipes and smoke it.

Don't have a scanner and never have had a card graded -- wouldn't do it if it was free. sorry can't send you pictures.

Sincerely yours,

Jack "Trapper" McGowan

The purpose of said email was to show how easy it is for Ted to take anybody’s word on a card and add it to said lists as fact. Even SCD wants an image before cards are added to checklists. But not Ted, not only did the email say the Cobb’s were OC but it said they were OC left to right & right to left the person claimed to have 3 of them. Actually doing a survey or exploratory thread on why Cobb’s (green) are OC having these two OC examples may have added valuable info to this thread. As the entire discussion revolves around top to bottom however with no further follow up they were added here.


However as bad as that is the below was what shocked us even more…see Ted's summary or paraphrase of the email see...

1 .... "I've been collecting T206's since the early 1970's. I have 5 green Cobb's....three are P 150's and two are SC 350's. All three P 150 cards are off-center.
The two SC cards are centered. I would have posted this info, but I do not care to deal with the caustic nature of one (or two) "assi-9" characters that have
been posting on this green Cobb thread."

Ted took select sections of said email missed all important info regarding to the actual survey and thread he started. He then decided to elaborate on this email by making his own version (lying) of this fictional persons email to post here implicating me personally and one other person.

The email had none of these direct comments and or statements see above the paraphrase.

Well just another example of Ted making stuff up, perhaps he was just testing us.





edited personal email out

[cfc1909]

Wonka
where did you get that picture of McKee with his shirt off?

[wonkaticket]

On my iPhone at the Chantilly show it was taken at his table.

[E93]

Is that a Cobb tattoo from the T206 portrait?

[iwantitiwinit]

This is getting tiresome. This is supposed to be about baseball right? Baseball cards? We're taking about baseball cards here? Baseball cards? Are we talking about baseball cards? Baseball cards?

[caramelcard]

iwantitiwinit,

They're talking about baseball cards, but also their relationships and lying and fake emails and other stuff.

Rob