PSA/DNA and JSA Question!

[Leon]

I will venture to guess that has happened at least hundreds of times...

[pow323]

Thanks Leon for the reply. Kinda crazy isn`t it! Marc

[thenavarro]

It has happened to items I've sent in, in both directions. While it's aggravating, I make mistakes in my job too and I'm pretty good at what I do. It is what it is.

Mike Navarro

[pow323]

Mike, Thank you also for the reply! I sent you an email but let me tell what happened on here. I sent an autographed card to PSA/DNA of Roberto Clemente and an autographed card of Carl Yaz. as a runner. They both came back as not there autographs. Well that is a LIE! because I was standing there when Yaz signed the card and have a picture of my wife standing along side of him. It cost me $137.00 for NOTHING as far as I am concerned. Tell me what I can do about this problem? Thanks for listening!! Marc

[thenavarro]

Marc,

Unfortunately, I don't have any real good advice for you. But, I can tell you that I've had items pass on the 2nd time in, when they failed the first time. The lack of consistency will drive you bonkers, but it happens. You might resend the Yaz by itself, or include it when someone else does a large order.

As to the Clemente, depending on what you want to do with the piece eventually (IE, hold,sell, trade, etc.), you might consider paying Richard Simon here on the board to authenticate it for you. But before you do that, just post a scan here, and people will probably be willing to help you out with an opinion. If the autograph guys think it might be legit, then you can send it to Richard Simon for a formal opinion. His opinion can be trusted on vintage baseball and some other areas.

Good luck, I hope you find a reasonable solution.

Mike Navarro

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by thenavarro

It has happened to items I've sent in, in both directions. While it's aggravating, I make mistakes in my job too and I'm pretty good at what I do. It is what it is.

Mike Navarro

But which opinion was "the mistake"? (And how do you know?)

[71buc]

I have had this Clemente item for over 20 years. I have never sent in for authentication due to it's large size and my desire not to remove it from the frame. I am considering doing so now. Before I go through the pain of taking it apart and submiting it I thought I would get some feedback here. Do you think it would pass PSA/DNA?

[T206Collector]

I submitted an admittedly awkwardly signed T206 of Davy Jones that was from Jeff Morey's collection to PSA/DNA. Thus, I knew it was good. But PSA/DNA said no. So i sent it to JSA, and it came back good.

You can't fault them for not authenticating good stuff (false negatives). I'd hope they err on the side of not authentic every time. It's the false positives you have to watch out for.

If you got the signature yourself, and JSA doesn't like the signature, you can't really fault them. If you do, then you do not really understand what the purpose of third-party authenticating is. You are not paying for 100% accuracy on the real stuff. You are paying to get as close as reasonably possible to weeding out the fakes.

[RichardSimon]

Why do you think you see the same auction houses and ebay sellers with COA's from both JSA and PSA?
It is because they shop authenticators till they find one (they hope) who will issue a COA for their item.