Thought I'd try Sgc. Sadly....

[Peter_Spaeth]

I have seen numerous T206s that look like the Johnson in 60 holders.

[Bicem]

grading is subjective, just keep sending them in until you get the desired grade.

[calvindog]

The Johnson is a 4 or a 5, the Cobb a 2 or a 3. Stop whining and go back to PSA.

[Delray Vintage]

I think the Johnson corners do not deserve a 60 close but not there.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Perhaps you should have trimmed them first.

[oldjudge]

Easy Jeff. His name is Doug Bacon, not Doug Allen.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Easy Jeff. His name is Doug Bacon, not Doug Allen.

Sorry, all I saw was "Doug" and some whining.

[murcerfan]

You can post scans all night long, but the standards are supposed to be:

http://www.sgccard.com/grading_scale.htm

[mintacular]

Well, I'm not going to take sides on what these cards should've graded but I must say that I am really annoyed with the recent spate of cards on eBay in which the seller lists a TPG grades but puts in title "Looks like a (blank)"....

While I understand there are many cards undergraded in ;ow grade slabs it has gone waayyyy too far with sellers basically ignoring TPG grades, etc. and claiming cards "looks NM" even though they reside in a VG slab with a huge crease. 9/10 times the TPG gave the low-grade card for a reason...

I think there is a tendency for everyone to think their card is undergraded reminiscent of a parent who thinks their butt ugly kid looks Grace Kelley or Brad Pitt.

[wonkaticket]

Uhh yeah “murcerfan” I think we are all familiar with the grading companies standards, but thanks for posting them just in case somebody here doesn’t have the internet or access to the TPG websites.

I don’t think anyone here at least Tony and I weren’t debating any third party’s rules or grading guidelines or crying the blues as we are very happy with our cards regardless of what some TPG says. (correct me if I’m speaking wrong for you Tony)

The point we were trying to illustrate via shared scans was that cards can have a visual appearance well beyond the technical grade given by any third party, and those cards shouldn’t be ignored and in many cases offer a better looking card to that of an equally or higher technically graded card. Also as Jeff pointed out if you liked the card prior to the slab or the old slab it's the same card you can still be just as happy regardless of a number.

For me it’s all about how a card looks first and foremost, regardless of the plastic tomb it’s in or the number attached.

Cheers,

John

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by mintacular

Well, I'm not going to take sides on what these cards should've graded but I must say that I am really annoyed with the recent spate of cards on eBay in which the seller lists a TPG grades but puts in title "Looks like a (blank)"....

While I understand there are many cards undergraded in ;ow grade slabs it has gone waayyyy too far with sellers basically ignoring TPG grades, etc. and claiming cards "looks NM" even though they reside in a VG slab with a huge crease. 9/10 times the TPG gave the low-grade card for a reason...

I think there is a tendency for everyone to think their card is undergraded reminiscent of a parent who thinks their butt ugly kid looks Grace Kelley or Brad Pitt.

That really annoys me too. Here is one that was recently listed:

http://cgi.ebay.com/1909-11-T206-Ty-...item2eb3e89f4f

It's a PSA 1, but says "Looks PSA 4" in the title. Ummm, no, it looks like a 1 because it has paper loss, Einstein.

[novakjr]

The borders on the Cobb aren't exactly square either. Slightly diamond cut, I'm sure that didn't help the grade any.

[ullmandds]

When one is accustomed to PSA's overgrading...it can be frustrating to cross over to SGC.

[CMIZ5290]

I agree with peter, but those 60's were badly overgraded.

[calvindog]

Yeah, definitely go back to PSA, they really grade cards accurately.

[chaddurbin]

i'd take a t206 demmitt over that cobb (probably a 3 tho)

[Phillies*phan]

Jeffrey, do you work for SGC? You seem very upset. This was not my intention. If I offended you in any way, I'm sorry. I justed wanted some feedback on normal sgc grading as the diferance in a cobb 2 or 3 is several hundred dollars.

[Rickyy]

Nice cards Doug...Johnson might have gotten another grade up..but the crease is a big downgrade on SGC even if the cards look nice overall...

[Peter_Spaeth]

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[Peter_Spaeth]

another

[Peter_Spaeth]

and another

[steve B]

How did that rate a 60? Mine seem to get hit pretty hard. Edit to say I mean the Cranston. Slow typing and I'm a whole page behind....

I'd think the Cobb is right as a 30 with the crease, and the Johnsone seems right as vg-ex.

The ones below I think are a little low. Maybe a lot low looking at those last two.

Steve B

[calvindog]

Doug, I don't work for SGC but I find it annoying when people run on the board with fairly graded cards (either SGC or PSA) and whine about how unfairly they were treated. As Todd pointed out, they're the same cards prior to you getting them slabbed and you liked them just fine then. I routinely feel like I get the shaft upon submitting cards...but it is what it is. And I'm not down on PSA as I have thousands of cards graded by them including some high grade vintage sets.