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Old 03-13-2011, 09:34 AM
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Old 03-13-2011, 10:03 AM
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You still have not answered the question, perhaps you are unable to.

I do not like anything I have heard about Mastro etc. - it seems they have done some dishonest and unethcial things and I do not like it. I think it is digusting. However, it also appears that Forman is not a complete angel either and that is what I am pointing out. You can do all the mudslinging you want about Mastro etc. - I think it is great and well deserved. However, it is obvious that Forman has a conflict of interest and has had for some time. I think it is deplorable that he has been profiting from the sale of cards and memoribilia in the position that he is in - it is wrong. There is also a rumour that there is new management at his company and that these people have also profited from selling items (autographs) that they were in fact authenticating and also determinging the profits of others (by not authenticating) - that is disgusting. Forman at one time was obviously involved in major dealings with Mastro (so much so that he was able to get items without paying for them in the hundreds of thousands). All I am pointing out is that your client is not an angel either.
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Old 03-13-2011, 10:14 AM
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Old 03-13-2011, 10:55 AM
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Peter, you understand that I'm not Dave's conscience or personal biographer? Again, the example I provided should give you some comfort as to how Dave handles his valuable cards. I never said Dave was an angel and the lawsuit between Dave and Allen and Mastro did not involve any allegations of fraud against Dave.

And here's an idea: take your business to PSA if you're not comfortable with SGC. If you don't trust the graders and leadership and service at SGC -- go elsewhere.

And regarding your rumors, when you have something concrete say it. Or take it to court -- as I did with Allen and Mastro. And win -- as I did with Allen and Mastro.

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Old 03-13-2011, 11:10 AM
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Jeff,

Please read this article - everyone on this board should read this article - it is an excellent read.

http://www.autographalert.com/news.html

There is a rumor that the people doing these dishonest things are now involved in management at SGC. Is this true? I sure hope not. You seem to dislike unethical dishonest people yourself Jeff which is commendable. Forman would not get involved with shady and dishonest and unethical people as business partners, would he? I am sure when he was heavily involved with Mastro that he believed they were 100% horourable and ethical.
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Old 03-13-2011, 11:24 AM
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Peter,

When rumors are taken to court or investigated by a federal grand jury I'll respond. When you are willing to put up 400K of your own money because you think a rumor is more than a rumor, I'll respond.
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Old 03-13-2011, 12:43 PM
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Yikes. Far be it for me to defend Mr. Lichtman, but there is no way in hell he can come on here and start saying negative (and even potentially criminal) things about his client out of some vague interest in balanced discussion. No lawyer can do that and be a lawyer for long - both their clients and their licenses will be gone or at risk.

Others - Mastro counsel, semi-interested readers, even you, Peter - can bring up what they want about either party, good or bad, in a thread like this. But the last person with the responsibility to bring up anything negative about one side is counsel for that side.

Sorry Peter - while I can see that your concern is for a balanced discussion about something that is important to you, it is probably not fair to expect Jeff to lead the conversation.

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Jeff,

Please read this article - everyone on this board should read this article - it is an excellent read.

http://www.autographalert.com/news.html

There is a rumor that the people doing these dishonest things are now involved in management at SGC. Is this true? I sure hope not. You seem to dislike unethical dishonest people yourself Jeff which is commendable. Forman would not get involved with shady and dishonest and unethical people as business partners, would he? I am sure when he was heavily involved with Mastro that he believed they were 100% horourable and ethical.
It's an excellent read if you print it out and wipe your A** with it.

While there is no excuse for JSA to charge for a service, where they automatically re-buff authenticity based on a "previous" authentication of Christopher Moralass, the reality is that those are probably the ONLY AUTHENTIC EXAMPLES MORALLESS has ever authenticated and he had to peel off someone else stickers to do it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So while we would like to see JSA look at items more carefully and be held to a higher standard, they are NOT Crooks. Incompetent at times maybe, but when you compare them to a complete loser, who is tied in with many fraud rings, you are entirely missing the point of the lunatic that runs AA.

Before you call JSA dishonest, you need to do some more research other than the slanted narrow view points from the creators of AA.
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Type in the Words Stephen Koschal + ***** and see where it leads. He has his own very vested interest but is far from an angel himself

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