Beware Carterscards2006

[barrysloate]

Sportscardtheory- I've been involved in this same discussion many times and it is not only about whether or not you care who you are talking to on a chatboard. In a sense it doesn't even matter; your name is now by your avatar and since it's not a name I recognize it probably doesn't change anything for me.

People need to put their name out because it holds them accountable for what they say. I think twice before I post because whatever I say reflects who I am, and given the choice I'd prefer to put my best foot forward. But if I posted anonymously I could say any damn thing I wanted to without consequence. I could slander people on the board, curse people out, and say whatever I wanted, no matter how hurtful, because nobody would know it was me. But with my name out there I feel I have to post intelligently (debatable, I know), and with consideration towards others.

[rhettyeakley]

David, believe me I didn't "miss" your point! I understand what you were trying to say, I just think it is fallacious logic.

[Tsaiko]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

I think twice before I post because whatever I say reflects who I am, and given the choice I'd prefer to put my best foot forward.

I agree and strive for the same integrity as you do. Everything I say or do on this board reflects on who I am and I hope I come across as a decent fellow. Anyone who ever does business with me will certainly know my name, address and phone number, but having just anyone on the internet, who might stumble across this board, know who I am, sort of freaks me out a little bit.
I've had private conversations with people on this board, good people, who if they want to know my information, I would not hesitate to share it. In fact, I've learned from reading this board that there are some people who I would not hesitate to give my name to if they were just curious, because I can see they are trustworthy, respectful people and would not share my information if I asked them not to.
If there ever comes a time when I feel I have to slander someone (not likely), I'll do it to their face, away from the public board. Unless it's Leon, who already has all my information

So that's the other side of the coin, if anybody cares.

[Fred]

Holy crap, this thread was dying a nice death. Almost nothing posted to this thread for 48 hours. Then out of the blue the seller (Carterscards-Paul) has to bring it back to the top to let everyone know that paypal sided with him. I understand why they sided with him but personally, that's not exactly news that I'd rather share if I was a seller. Maybe, technically, paypal got this one right but as Jim said - won the battle, lost the war....

Paul, honestly, you should have just let this die.... sadly (for your business) that $1K card will probably cost you much more than that now. On a different note - The hits from coast to coast.... this thread not only busted the top 5, it is now #4.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I think I am already banned as a result of merely questioning whether he was protecting a card during an ongoing auction through witness0202 (he didn't deny it, just wrote back that "we are done doing business"), but even if not, I wouldn't bid in one of his auctions to save my life.

[novakjr]

Tsaiko, I agree. But it got me thinking.

Leon, are our names made public to non-members when they view this forum? I kinda like the idea of our names only being available to members.

[barrysloate]

Tsaiko- you don't have to post your name if you don't want to, as long as the posts stick to noncontroversial topics. But I for one find anonymity to be one of the oddities of the internet, and see no precedent for it in our daily lives.

Imagine any social or business situation where you interact with somebody for the first time but refuse to give out your name. But on the internet that is considered acceptable. I find it odd, and don't understand the notion of not wanting anybody to know who you are. After all, this isn't a site for child molesters to congregate. It's just baseball cards. Who cares if any one of us likes to discuss baseball cards? The need for anonymity goes right over my head, but that's me.

Thanks David. Spelling corrected.

[Tsaiko]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Tsaiko- you don't have to post your name if you don't want to, as long as the posts stick to noncontroversial topics. But I for one find anonymity to be one of the oddities of the internet, and see no precedent for it in our daily lives.

Imagine any social or business situation where you interact with somebody for the first time but refuse to give out your name. But on the internet that is considered acceptable. I find it odd, and don't understand the notion of not wanting anybody to know who you are. After all, this isn't a site for child molesters to congregate. It's just baseball cards. Who cares if any one of us likes to discuss baseball cards? The need for anonymity goes right over my head, but that's me.

Thanks David. Spelling corrected.

Well Barry, I meet people in person, in social situations, who I immediately don't want them to know my real name. Paranoid, maybe, but some people you just know you don't want to know.

Also, I notice there are some members (that use their real names) who never get involved in controversial subjects and I respect them for it. I know it may be hard for some of those members to resist giving their opinion, because it's hard for me sometimes too, but being anonymous and knowing I'll have to out myself if I'm controversial, acts as a self censor and prevents me from regrettable behavior (if I could only do that in real life - I'm a real loud mouth .

Please try to understand that some people are in a position or their family are in a position of possible harm if too much information is available about them. For example, think of a Federal Prosecutor, who has received death threats, etc. Piecing together complete information on someone, who uses their real name all over the internet, is really pretty easy.

Having said that, I'm all for getting together with anyone local to LA for a beer, coffee or even to play catch. Of course, I'll be wearing a mask -

j/k.

[tonyo]

Originally Posted by Tsaiko

Having said that, I'm all for getting together with anyone local to LA for a beer, coffee or even to play catch. Of course, I'll be wearing a mask -

j/k.

I've kept track of this thread pretty closely but this is my first post. Had to chime in because that was the first laugh I have gotten from the thread, and my first laugh of the day.....Thanks Tsaiko, or what ever your name is.......

Now that my name has been added to the list of posters in this historic thread,
Put my tick marks next to:
1. Steer clear of carterscards (and clipper baseball2010)
2. the board rule on adding your full name (or not)
3. carterscards lost some healthy business due to this thread (non businessman's perspective)
4. eBay doesn't care about scruples


Also, I just found myself wondering: how would this whole mess been handled had it occurred on grandslambids?

Tony

edited to add: post #521 - Ted Williams last at bat

[Tsaiko]

@Barry - Totally on for the beer, I do make it into the city every once in a while.

@Tony - One of the doctrines that I have lived my life by, one that came to me only after many decades of life experiences, is, "if I can't make you laugh, we're not going to be friends".
It's been proved as a fact of my life, so I'm happy I was able to give you a chuckle

[Kawika]

[Ease]

I wanted to be #500

[Kawika]

Originally Posted by Ease

I wanted to be #500

No worries, Eric. I'll lay off when it hits 1000.

[DeanH3]

...My personal feelings on the outcome, whether it was right or wrong, is not really important. But I will say that I believe that this thread cannot be good for this seller.

[photo111]

You plant corn you get corn

[Leon]

Originally Posted by novakjr

Tsaiko, I agree. But it got me thinking.

Leon, are our names made public to non-members when they view this forum? I kinda like the idea of our names only being available to members.

Yes, others that are not board members can see the names.

As for Tsaiko, as far as I am aware, you have never done anything to warrant having to have your name on the board. Of course I have it but I won't give it out, generally speaking.

Guys, it doesn't matter to me, really....it's just the rule that we all live by to be part of this community. If you don't want to have to put your name in your sig line or your posts, just don't get into debates, controversial subjects etc,.....and stick to just the cards and memorabilia. I just PM'd 2 board members, participating in this thread whom I have known a long time, to let them know they also need to put their names in their posts.....It is far from a personal issue....

[thekingofclout]

Can the original poster still follow through on his promise to leave negative feedback even though ebay ruled against him? (the OP)

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by thekingofclout

Can the original poster still follow through on his promise to leave negative feedback even though ebay ruled against him? (the OP)

He already left feedback and it was a neutral, not a negative as he promised.

[CMIZ5290]

The only thing i would like to add is the accusation of shill bidding. I don't give a crap about the comments made towards the seller on this item (some deserved, lack of communication, etc..) but, i can't begin to tell you the ebay auctions i have lost on high dollar t206 cards for the very same damn thing. Mysteriously, i lose them with 2 seconds left in the auction, and the buyer has 70% participation with the seller!! Come on, are you kidding me?? This is a constant, Bull s*** thing with ebay auctions.

[CMIZ5290]

Leon- by the way, i echo other comments about this forum! Keep up the great work!

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

The only thing i would like to add is the accusation of shill bidding. I don't give a crap about the comments made towards the seller on this item (some deserved, lack of communication, etc..) but, i can't begin to tell you the ebay auctions i have lost on high dollar t206 cards for the very same damn thing. Mysteriously, i lose them with 2 seconds left in the auction, and the buyer has 70% participation with the seller!! Come on, are you kidding me?? This is a constant, Bull s*** thing with ebay auctions.

Better to lose them than to pay a shilled up price. Ebay must not care because it only increases their take.

[CMIZ5290]

Peter- i think i know what you are getting at, but not completely sure. Nothing like looking at an auction for 7-10 days, and then magically losing at the last micro-second. Ebay is horribly tainted.