Defining pre-war rookie cards! Ahhh.....

[bcbgcbrcb]

Thanks to extensive research done primarily by Kevin Struss, the OldCardboard website pretty well documents the W600's that might qualify as Rookie Cards for Hall of Famers as the earlist possible issue date is provided rather than just the standard 1902-11 range.

[DanP]

Originally Posted by bcbgcbrcb

Thanks to extensive research done primarily by Kevin Struss, the OldCardboard website pretty well documents the W600's that might qualify as Rookie Cards for Hall of Famers as the earlist possible issue date is provided rather than just the standard 1902-11 range.

Phil, thanks for the info. I guess this is the link for the documentation you are talking about:
http://www.oldcardboard.com/w/w600/w600list.asp

So if I'm reading this correctly, Willie Keeler's RC is:
(348) 237a William Keeler 1902 1 Outfielder Brooklyn N. L. 1899-02 Suit
(349) 237b William Keeler 1903 New York A. L. 1903-09 Suit

It would pre-date his E107. Correct?

Thanks again.
Dan

[paul]

Some W600s say "1902" right on them in the caption. I think those have to be considered a 1902 issue.

[terjung]

Originally Posted by DanP

Phil, thanks for the info. I guess this is the link for the documentation you are talking about:
http://www.oldcardboard.com/w/w600/w600list.asp

So if I'm reading this correctly, Willie Keeler's RC is:
(348) 237a William Keeler 1902 1 Outfielder Brooklyn N. L. 1899-02 Suit
(349) 237b William Keeler 1903 New York A. L. 1903-09 Suit

It would pre-date his E107. Correct?

Thanks again.
Dan

Keeler's first W600 was listed in an ad in October 1902, so it was available prior to the issuance of the E107. Feel free to send all the E107 Keelers this way and I will happily file them for you. Nobody really likes those little cards anyway.

[terjung]

The Old Cardboard list is certainly valuable, but I don't know that I would trust it for being complete or 100% accurate. It may be close, but I have seen at least one listing that I disagree with.

John McGraw had at least 3 versions issued, but only 2 are listed.

(431) 295a John J. McGraw 1902 1 Infielder New York N. L. 1902-06 Suit
(432) 295b John J. McGraw 1902 4 Manager New York N. L. 1902-06 Suit

The first listing is fine. The second one should read 1903? 3 Manager, IMO (since it also shows his more youthful portrait and is on a Type 1 mount). A third one was released with an older looking McGraw portrait on a Type 4 mount. I don't think that one would be a 1902 issue, though. Kevin Struss may be able to provide more insight on the date ranges for each of the mount types. Perhaps he or Scott B. will weigh in with some of their knowledge of the set.

This is not meant to pick on the very valuable resource in O.C., but just to highlight that I suspect the dates vs. mounts on its listing may not quite be 100% accurate.

[Baseball Rarities]

From my research, these are the approximate dates for the four different mounts:

1 - August 1902 to late 1902
2 - late 1902 to mid 1903
3 - mid 1903 to early 1904
4 - early 1904 to end

I would like to know Scott Brockelman's or Jerry Spillman's thoughts on W600s as they are the two of the most knowledgeable guys on this issue.