New member with a 67 baseball question.

[toppcat]

Darren Prince's book has 7th series packs with these as well. It seems the first series did not have the posters; they may have been added mid-run to entice sales. I wonder if the first Fleer/Laughlin packs came out in '67 and Topps decided to include an insert in reaction?

[tigers6884]

I don't seem to remember them in the 1st series but could be wrong. It was only 44 years ago

Here is the Keith Olbermann link to the 67 pack bust:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/...rmann#35430819

Jim

[parkerj33]

Dave (Toppcat),

are we still waiting to find a picture of the other half of the 7th series sheet? so until we have that we can't really be sure of which cards were truly short printed (or double/triple/quad) printed. Reading the other thread it appears that all our guesses are based on beckett (rich klein?) or somewhere else in hobby lore noting which cards were "double printed". but that could be just a misnomer if they were basing that notation only on the "other" half sheet that today no-one can seem to locate.

[Rich Klein]

It was well known that a group of cards were far more easily available in the 7th series, if you read old old hobby news papers, you will see ads for those 10 cards (Carew as a RC was not usually included) and thus I'm perfectly comfortable with the double print information.

Single prints are tough, but I don't know if they are always *AS* tough as you think -- some of that is due to a bizarre distribution pattern of 67 Hi Series cards --- I have heard from several long-time hobbyists that the St Louis area got a ton of those cards -- which makes sense since they were deep into winning the NL pennant that year.

Interesting, that same St Louis area got very few of the 6th series (*semi-hi). I remember my 1st sale at the 1984 National -- close enough to my house where I could bring a ton of inventory -- was a dealer buying me out of all my 67 semi-hi cards. The internet has changed some of that regional shortages,

Dan McKee tells a story about his dad giong to a show and walking out with 9 1967 Topps Brooks Robinsons and I remember (none of these were better than VG) picking up 9 Mike Shannon's at a show in NJ for $1 each. There is also an old hobby story in an Trader Speaks about a dealer circa 1979 selling 80 Tom Seaver RC's @$12 per to another dealer.

I think some of the single prints in 67 may be slightly tuffer to find -- but there is no doubt in my mind that the cards indentified as TP's (or DP's) are exactly that.

[toppcat]

Rich once wrote (many years ago) to me the Beckett DP report for the 7th series was based upon a partial uncut sheet with multiple showings of the 22 Beckett DP's. I doubt he would remember the sheet at this point but the Beckett sheet had DP's for 11 of the SP's on the other sheet, so something was different on the two half sheets. For whatever reason, the other half sheet has not been sighted in whole or in part. SCD lists basically match the Beckett list as well. I feel strongly 11 cards are true short prints in the 67 highs but agree we can only speculate as to the TP's (or QP's even).

[tigers6884]

Gentlemen,
Thanks for the information.

Since no one has a photo of the other ½ sheet, does anyone have a complete high number sheet of another Topps set from that era?

Perhaps looking at that could give some insight into how Topps typically printed a series of 77 cards?

Here is my latest pickup which came from Bob L. Nice supplement to a great set.

Jim

[jmoran19]

1969 series 6 is 77 cards and I think I have pictures of both sides of the 264 card sheet.

After analyzing it, 4 rows are printed 3 times (132 cards) and 3 rows are printed 4 times (132 cards). John