Ted Wiliams

murphusa · #1 02-24-2011, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquire

This ball is authentic. Don't let these clowns tell you otherwise. I am an expert in Ted Williams autographs and memorabilia. It's impossible to replicate that "T" and the D to W transition like that. This opened A nonsense is laughable. The guy can't sign his name exactly the same way every time. Regardless, Ted signed this ball. It's the Green Diamond photos you need to be wary of. John Henry Williams was a known forger of his father's signature and it's very difficult to pull it off on a ball as opposed to a flat photo.

If I was a crook I would offer you a great deal on 3 baseballs just like the pictured one

TheSquire · #2 02-24-2011, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by murphusa

If I was a crook I would offer you a great deal on 3 baseballs just like the pictured one

Prove it's a fake. You can't.

And yes, point taken. I can't prove the opposite.

Leon · #3 02-24-2011, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquire

Prove it's a fake. You can't.

And yes, point taken. I can't prove the opposite.

Pm sent....

Leon · #4 02-24-2011, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Leon

Pm sent....

You can disregard my PM now......thanks

murphusa · #5 02-24-2011, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquire

Prove it's a fake. You can't.

And yes, point taken. I can't prove the opposite.

I can express an opinion, from my experience with Ted Williams items I have seen, owned etc in over 50 years of collecting.

Mr. Williams signature, even after his strokes had a very natural flow to it. He did not use points as shown on the pictured example.

While this signer followed the structure of Mr. Williams flow in the bottom part of the signature, he did not do the same at the top of each letter.

This is due in part to hesitation in ones writting skills and in the split second that he had to think about what he was doing.

You can do the same at home, take a pen and paper and have someone give you a difficult word to write. One that you have to think about how it is spelled while you write it. Even in your own handwritting, you will hesitate when you have to think about it thus causing the same minipulation as in the signature pictured above. Sorry it's human nature

Jim Murphy
Philadelphia Bat Company

TheSquire · #6 02-24-2011, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by murphusa

I can express an opinion, from my experience with Ted Williams items I have seen, owned etc in over 50 years of collecting.

Mr. Williams signature, even after his strokes had a very natural flow to it. He did not use points as shown on the pictured example.

While this signer followed the structure of Mr. Williams flow in the bottom part of the signature, he did not do the same at the top of each letter.

This is due in part to hesitation in ones writting skills and in the split second that he had to think about what he was doing.

You can do the same at home, take a pen and paper and have someone give you a difficult word to write. One that you have to think about how it is spelled. Even in your own handwritting, you will hesitate when you have to think about it thus causing the same minipulation as in the signature pictured above. Sorry it's human nature

With all due respect, there is nothing in the above statement that gives your opinion any credibilty. All you're telling me is how a person can forge a signature. So what? The T and the S are impeccable exemplars of an authentic Ted sig. Again, everyone wants a player to sign exactly the same way every single time and it's impossible. That's human nature.

murphusa · #7 02-24-2011, 07:58 PM

you are right no one can do the same one everytime but the sturcture remain constant

And the structure is not consistant with an authentic Ted Williams signature in my opinion

Jim Murphy

TheSquire · #8 02-24-2011, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by murphusa

I can express an opinion, from my experience with Mr. Williams signature, even after his strokes had a very natural flow to it. He did not use points as shown on the pictured example.

Jim Murphy
Philadelphia Bat Company

Jim, I'm sorry, but this is a ludicrous statement. I personally saw Ted sign photographs, flat items after his stroke and I saw nothing that would represent a signature anywhere close to a 6 or 7 in grade.

TheSquire · #9 02-24-2011, 07:59 PM

Ted Williams Autograph.jpg

Real or fake?

RichardSimon · #10 02-24-2011, 07:32 PM

My max bid for this ball is five cents.

baseball tourist · #11 02-24-2011, 07:43 PM

I would have to agree with the "clowns" on this. Looks terrible IMO.

HRBAKER · #12 02-24-2011, 07:46 PM

He might be right, the "ball" may be authentic.

oriolesbb6 · #13 02-24-2011, 08:11 PM

I would stay clear of the ball as it full of differences from known true samples in my collection.

murphusa · #14 02-24-2011, 08:16 PM

Is it fake or real,

I'll follow up as if I were you.

Did you see Ted sign the item?

Or are you relying on someones opinion?

TheSquire · #15 02-24-2011, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by murphusa

Is it fake or real,

I'll follow up as if I were you.

Did you see Ted sign the item?

Or are you relying on someones opinion?

You're right. We're ALL relying on someone's opinion. Unless you saw the guy sign it, you cannot lay your head on your pillow at night with 100% certainty. You just can't.

Leon · #16 02-24-2011, 08:23 PM

TheSquire won't be posting anymore in this thread per having to have a full name out in public. He would rather not have his name in lights so it's his choice. No one can have debates and (even friendly) arguments on the board without having their name by their post. For the record I am done asking folks to cooperate and am putting their names in their sig lines when they don't adhere to the privacy rules. Forewarned is fair warned. regards

GoldenAge50s · #17 02-24-2011, 09:27 PM

I think the WU telegram is real--just an earlier Ted. Much better flow than the fake baseball!

RichardSimon · #18 02-24-2011, 10:12 PM

I gotta say I have to laugh at a self proclaimed "expert on Ted Williams" guy who won't even put his name out there.

gnaz01 · #19 02-26-2011, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Leon

TheSquire won't be posting anymore in this thread per having to have a full name out in public. He would rather not have his name in lights so it's his choice. No one can have debates and (even friendly) arguments on the board without having their name by their post. For the record I am done asking folks to cooperate and am putting their names in their sig lines when they don't adhere to the privacy rules. Forewarned is fair warned. regards

I thought Leon already banned him from this thread???

oriolesbb6 · #20 02-26-2011, 08:18 AM

+1, with open ended letters...LOL

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