Beware Carterscards2006

[novakjr]

Just a question Todd. I know this really is completely irrelevant and kinda off topic, I'm just a little curios though. I can understand sending the 3 GAI graded cards for cross-over, but why not also send the PRO with 'em?

[Peter_Spaeth]

We have a thread about a seller who refuses to accept a return, apparently shills his own auctions, apparently pleaded guilty to a serious crime involving dishonesty and served jail time, and you guys are cross-examing Todd?

[novakjr]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

We have a thread about a seller who refuses to accept a return, apparently shills his own auctions, apparently pleaded guilty to a serious crime involving dishonesty and served jail time, and you guys are cross-examing Todd?

No cross-examination here. Completely unrelated to his issue with Caters. I was just curious as to why he would send in the GAI cards, and not the PRO.

Originally Posted by novakjr

No cross-examination here. Completely unrelated to his issue with Caters. I was just curious as to why he would send in the GAI cards, and not the PRO.

Well we all know the Pro is more than likely over graded or altered as most are so why waist the money. His preference to do the GAI's only is just that, preference. I have bought 1 GAI card ever and it was my WOJO T205. I was lucky that it did cross and I lost a full grade from an 8 to a 7. I was more comfortable with SGC's 7 than a possible GAI 8 flip on the card if I had to sell. Sadly enough due to a family issue with my youngest I had to sell. Big regret but some day he will return to my registry. It has a sense of validity when SGC and PSA grade a card numerically, as compared to GAI, PRO, CSA, and so forth.

[novakjr]

Originally Posted by Pup6913

Well we all know the Pro is more than likely over graded or altered as most are so why waist the money. His preference to do the GAI's only is just that, preference. I have bought 1 GAI card ever and it was my WOJO T205. I was lucky that it did cross and I lost a full grade from an 8 to a 7. I was more comfortable with SGC's 7 than a possible GAI 8 flip on the card if I had to sell. Sadly enough due to a family issue with my youngest I had to sell. Big regret but some day he will return to my registry. It has a sense of validity when SGC and PSA grade a card numerically, as compared to GAI, PRO, CSA, and so forth.

Thank You. Sorry to hear about having to give up the WOJO, and about the issue with your youngest. I hope all is well.

[DJR]

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[CMIZ5290]

Djr- please! You have been watching too many godfather movies!

[CMIZ5290]

Todd- i've got your man of genius!

[CMIZ5290]

Hey mike- get a life. You know as well as i do that if this happened to you, you would be pissed. The card was graded, i repeat, graded! He knew that.

[CMIZ5290]

Well said dave

[docpatlv]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Hey mike- get a life. You know as well as i do that if this happened to you, you would be pissed. The card was graded, i repeat, graded! He knew that.

Hey jackass, I have a life...a pretty good one at that. Thanks for the suggestion though.

Mike

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

We have a thread about a seller who refuses to accept a return, apparently shills his own auctions, apparently pleaded guilty to a serious crime involving dishonesty and served jail time, and you guys are cross-examing Todd?

Other than refusing to accept a return, how is any of that pertinent to this situation? We've already determined that this auction wasn't shilled. I just don't understand what the criminal history has to do with anything. As a buyer, I could care less about the personal life of a seller. I don't care if he has a criminal background, I don't care if he is a liar, I don't care if he beats his wife, I don't care if he's going to use the money to buy crack, etc, etc, etc. I care about getting the item I purchased as it was described/pictured. Todd got what he purchased. He may not be happy with the purchase, but the item was delivered as described.

Let's deal with facts about THIS case, not people's personal life.

[DJR]

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[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by DJR

Todd did NOT receive the card as advertised. He received a M101-5 not the M101-4 as stated in the listing contract. For this reason (technicality) alone, the seller should refund the money no questions asked. It is like selling a 1915 CJ as a 1914 CJ and saying tough luck!

Ok, if it wasn't as advertised, then why didn't he send it back right away instead of sending it to SGC?

[vintagetoppsguy]

Let's quit all the bickering back and forth and get back to the issue. One TPG says it's trimmed, one TPG says it is not. Todd said he could prove it was trimmed. I'm calling him out and asking him to do so.

How about a high resolution scan? That might be helpful! Show us what you see!

[CMIZ5290]

David- what the hell good is a scan? Just curious

[CMIZ5290]

Mike- brrrrrrrr. You are really something.

[docpatlv]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Mike- brrrrrrrr. You are really something.

Brrrr....so are you

[mdschulze]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I just don't understand what the criminal history has to do with anything.

I personally think criminal activity has a lot to do with ANY seller. I would rather take my chances conducting business with someone who doesn't have a criminal history (or hasn't been caught yet & I'm unaware) than from a known felon! IMO, if a person displays no conscience while embezzling money, why would I expect him/her to act differently with a simple buy/sell transaction. Is society so numb these days that dishonesty, lack of morals and unethical business practices mean nothing anymore?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by mdschulze

I personally think criminal activity has a lot to do with ANY seller. I would rather take my chances conducting business with someone who doesn't have a criminal history (or hasn't been caught yet & I'm unaware) than from a known felon! IMO, if a person displays no conscience while embezzling money, why would I expect him/her to act differently with a simple buy/sell transaction. Is society so numb these days that dishonesty, lack of morals and unethical business practices mean nothing anymore?

Apparently some here care only if the seller delivers the card they bought. Rather shocking to me, but that's just me.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Apparently some here care only if the seller delivers the card they bought. Rather shocking to me, but that's just me.

But keep in mind, we're talking about an eBay deal here where the buyer is protected through PayPal. What would I have to lose? If I were dealing with somebody outside of eBay, believe me I would want to know a lot more about them.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

But keep in mind, we're talking about an eBay deal here where the buyer is protected through PayPal. What would I have to lose? If I were dealing with somebody outside of eBay, believe me I would want to know a lot more about them.

To me, it's about more than will I get my card, it's about not wanting to support people of whom I don't approve, on general principles. But as we've seen time and again, "stuff" trumps all for lots of folks.

[tiger8mush]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Apparently some here care only if the seller delivers the card they bought. Rather shocking to me, but that's just me.

What more could you ask of a seller?

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by mdschulze

I personally think criminal activity has a lot to do with ANY seller. I would rather take my chances conducting business with someone who doesn't have a criminal history (or hasn't been caught yet & I'm unaware) than from a known felon! IMO, if a person displays no conscience while embezzling money, why would I expect him/her to act differently with a simple buy/sell transaction. Is society so numb these days that dishonesty, lack of morals and unethical business practices mean nothing anymore?

I disagree, but you make some valid points. All I am saying is what does his criminal past have to do with this particular case?

[mdschulze]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I disagree, but you make some valid points. All I am saying is what does his criminal past have to do with this particular case?

I get what you're saying. My point was to place emphasis on his character as an individual and while conducting business, not specifically with this case. But... a man's character goes along way in business. If a seller displays characteristics of being dishonest, it's not below them to try and weasel their way out of situations such as this.

[botn]

Originally Posted by mdschulze

I personally think criminal activity has a lot to do with ANY seller. I would rather take my chances conducting business with someone who doesn't have a criminal history (or hasn't been caught yet & I'm unaware) than from a known felon! IMO, if a person displays no conscience while embezzling money, why would I expect him/her to act differently with a simple buy/sell transaction. Is society so numb these days that dishonesty, lack of morals and unethical business practices mean nothing anymore?

Memory Lane is certainly not hurting? The hobby must be a witness protection program of sorts for felons.

[Vol]

I would be pissed too if I tried to cross a graded card and it came back trimmed.

Sounds like more of a grading company beef than a seller beef. IMO. JMO.

[jezzeaepi]

First of all, maybe I am looking at the wrong price guides, but according to the few sales on VCP, the price isn't much of a discount. I don't know where the 5k$ value carter keeps quoting comes from, but I see 1095 for a PSA 6. Kind of hard for it to be a profitable scam when there is no profit. Now, if he were mad that the card didn't cross to a PSA 7.5, THEN maybe he could be flipping them and making a profit. That is not what happened though. He was mad that it didn't cross to *any* graded number, and was in fact altered to have the appearance of a higher grade.

Second of all, if Carter is so aware of the fact that the cards in GAI's holders are sketchy, and that there is great risk in them, then maybe he shouldn't be selling them(and by deduction, BUYING THEM HIMSELF)? The rules on ebay are more geared towards the buyer, not the seller, so I don't see how he expects to come out ahead.

[Sterling Sports Auctions]

For the detractors out there about Todd submitting the card to SGC. Did it dawn on you that when the seller stated that he knew GAI would sell for 20% of SGC or PSA, then why would he not try and submit his $1000 card to turn it into a $4000-$500 card? Or maybe he did and it came back the same results as Todd got.

The seller comes here to comes here tell here side of the story only to come up with a wonderful story and not address his problematic issues.

Those you defend this seller and other like him, going on buying from them, it only takes once and the whole experience is shot in the ass. Have a great time in life with your purchases.

Lee

[lharri3600]

issac,
man oh man did you nail it! you nailed it! why can't we see that grading is no more than a scam? i mean i believe a trimmed card is a trimmed card. how in the world can a card be sent in, deemed trimmed, and sent in 2 weeks later and gets a grade of 7! maybe, just maybe, the card is not trimmed at all. so much for the subjectivity baloney.

[nolemmings]

If the holder means nothing to you as you stated above, why send them in 5 years later? Why not just leave them in their holder?

I was hoping that Frank Wakefield would ask that question, because he deserves an answer, whereas you do not. You accuse me of being a reneger on "who knows how many occasions" and point to one transaction from 6 1/2 years ago, yet sit silently by with no comment when real man of genius Mize claims it is "uncalled for" to point to an article stating that Paul Sabatino (this seller's name) was convicted of tax evasion arising out of embezzlement of more than $1.6 M just 2 1/2 years ago because "No need to go that far back in a man's past". Wonderful consistency there. You also took a shot at my professional character as well, with your usual amount of evidence and tact. Finally, it seems it may have been you who told seller to look at this thread, which leads to me having to respond to complete fabrications. Well, hope you like your champion now--maybe you should direct a few questions his way, unless of course you buy that BS he penned.

I will answer your question, though, because it appears arguably germane and is fair, and because of my exchanges with Frank. There were two reasons I sent in the other cards. One, I knew I'd be paying a bunch in registered mail for sending in just the Stengel, so I thought I'd add a couple more. More importantly, I was curious for myself to see if SGC might have some bias toward GAI, and I knew the other two cards were good--hell, I've owned them for many years and have examined them at length--whereas the Stengel looked funny to me pretty much right away. The other two came from long ago and far different places, so while it's possible they all could be deemed trimmed, I would have frowned very heavily on SGC's approach to things if the other two came back evid--trim. They did not--the Bancroft is 80, the Faber 86.

I'm in this for the long haul, and don't do this to flip or make my money like the liar would suggest and as some of you follow.One day I hope to have all my cards in just one company's holders, but that will be when I sell or shortly before I die, both of which I hope are a ways off. Until then and as I mentioned to Frank, they're rather hodge podge and half or so raw. I'd like to think that when it comes time, SGC will still be going strong and still be my grading company of choice--then I'll take the plunge. But I can't afford to do this more than once, or at least I choose not to pay more than once. So who knows whose holder would bring the most $$$ to my old age or my heirs?