W560 advice; Hornsby and Johnson

[ethicsprof]

welcome aboard!!!!
and as Leon suggests--don't touch 'em--they look great.

best,
barry

[leftygrove10]

The year of issue is pretty important for this set. Those that care about rookie cards have included this "1927" card as a rookie card for Lefty Grove (and probably other players). If the cards weren't issued until 1929, then this card may no longer be considered a rookie card for Lefty. That would open up a few other 1928 cards as candidates.

I wonder if the proposed 1929 year of issue for the Johnson and Hornsby above is consistent with other players in the set. Is Ty Cobb in the set? His last year was 1928. If he is not in the set, then a 1929 year of issue would be consistent with that.

[abothebear]

According to the checklist on VintageCardPrices.com there is no Cobb in the set.

[abothebear]

If the W560 is a 1929 issue then that would mean the R315 would move ahead of it for Foxx. Is there an earlier Foxx than that one? There is a '26-'29 exhibit but I don't know how those work, does that guarantees a '26 or '27 issue for Foxx?

[leftygrove10]

There are some questions regarding the year of issue for the R315's as well. It may have been issued over several years. I believe that some have proposed here on net54 that the year of issue should be more like 1930 or 1931 for the R315's. You will likely find the post that I'm referring to by searching the website. (I can't do it at the moment.)

The range of years for the postcard-back exhibits raise questions as well. To confirm the year for a particular player, you would have to find the original photo used to make the card and try to track down the year in which that photo was taken. Someone told me that Conlon dated all of his photos. If Foxx's photo is by Conlon, then there must be a date somewhere for that picture. As far as the Grove postcard-back exhibit, I believe that it was a Conlon photo taken in 1928.

[rhettyeakley]

I think it is important to point out that the single color set and the bi-cololred sets are DIFFERENT SETS. The selection of subjects changed slightly.

The bi-colored set was produced first (as Frank mentioned) while the single color set came after, although they could have been made the same year as 1929 seems to be the common denominator in all this. The bi-colored set had a much more mixed subject matter as you can see on Leon's sheet above (Walter Hagan(golf), Delores Costello (actress), Max Schmelling (boxer), and a bunch of aviators). While those subjects have been replaced on my single color sheet with more ballplayers, Maguire first played with Boston in 1929 (there's that date again).

The reason I say it is clear that the bi-colored set came first is the card of Lester Bell on my sheet below, when I first saw the card I wondered why the heck there were little parachuters on the card (I assume it was a "wild" card for the deck). Then a few years later I saw the same sheet Leon has and I realized they had just recycled the format already laid out with the aviator as the subject (where a parachutist would have made sense) and replaced that subject with a ballplayer and just kept the parachute design.

-Rhett

[leftygrove10]

Here is the thread about the year of issue for the R315's...

http://www.network54.com/Forum/15365...64/R315+Dating

[abothebear]

These kinds of things are one of the reasons I have shifted toward pre-war cards. There are still mysteries to be solved.