Very strange.... W575-1 Kelly that just ended 3 seconds ago ???

[brianp-beme]

I saw this listing but didn't notice the font differences...wow Frank has a pair of eagle eyes. I don't have much to offer on this weird variation, but thought I would share another oddity in the W575/E121 family that I don't remember seeing elsewhere. Both of these Hollacher cards are from the E121 Series of Eighty with the "Lancaster and York, Penna" in plain lettering on the back, but the font sizes of the print on the front are noticeably different in size. The standard printing size is the card with the sharp corners, while the card with the "1921" written on front is the unusually small font size. I layed the two on top of each other to clarify the different fonts.

These sets sure are one big puzzle...thanks Frank for pointing out the "E135" connection on the Kelly.

Brian

[brianp-beme]

Heck I checked and danged if I don't have a Walter Schang W575 card with the E135 type font. Will post a scan within the next couple of days, and good golly will do my best to figure out what thickness of paper it has (since it is unslabbed) as compared to the family of various E121-esqe sets as Rhett has detailed. Shoot I probably have more old fashioned gee-whizisms than any other darn person who posts here.

Brian

[rhettyeakley]

Frank (and Brian), that is a very interesting card. It has front characteristics of both types E135 & E121. I have only ever seen one other card with these characteristics that's legitimate and I think it was the same Schang card that Brian has... Brian is the Schang you have trimmed around the edges and did it come from a group of 10-12 cards on ebay maybe a year or two ago? I think it is the same card.

Anyways, strange card that doesn't seem to follow the pattern that we have seen before. This is why these sets are so interesting to me. I haven't been watching ebay like a hawk lately but I woud have bid fairly high on that Kelly had I saw it prior to ending.

-Rhett

[brianp-beme]

Rhett...the card is trimmed narrow along left and right borders, I did pick it up within the last couple of years, and I believe it was from ebay. Quite the memory on this one, Rhett. I will post a scan when I have a chance.

Brian

[brianp-beme]

And for Rhett...have you ever seen the type of print size variation on the E121 of Hollacher that I posted previously? I figure if anyone you might have seen it.

Brian

[brianp-beme]

Here is the scan of the W575 card of Schang with the E135-like font. I would say the thickness of the card is most similiar to that of the E121 series of 80 cards.

Brian

[rhettyeakley]

Brian, that is the exact card I was thinking of, I guess I know who outbid me back then on that lot!

Also, about your Hollacher, I have the following two that show differences in the position of the name in relation to the photo and/or the team/position below. They are more subtle than your Hollacher but they do show that there were at least a few different "runs" of these cards that went to the printers where things were at least positioned differently (the Bagby is REALLY subtle but look at the "M" in JIM in relation to the "el" in Cleveland and you see the diff.) I tried to line up the "photo portions" on each so as to make them easier to compare. Edited to add that all 4 cards below have the "common" E121 series of 80 back (I call it Type 1).

-Rhett