OT Mr. Olbermann's Good Night

[lhardem]

Originally Posted by kcohen

I would advise against disputing anything KO says regarding baseball cards lest you be deemed "Worst Person in the World."

Too Late. I've already been honored as Keith's "Worst Person in the World" (see Old Cardboard eNewsletter #72, April 2010).

Lyman

[autograf]

Lyman......fantastic comeback on your comments on the eNewsletter. Politics do make us divisive too quickly. Unfortunately, between that and religion, many friendships have been lost. A shame we all cant be like Barry & Leon and discuss things in a rational manner. Keith's won items from me on ebay...generally quite a while ago and was always quick with payment and extremely courteous in any correspondence. Hope he does land on his feet although I would always prefer his wit in a Sports, and not political, setting.........

[kcohen]

Originally Posted by lhardem

Too Late. I've already been honored as Keith's "Worst Person in the World" (see Old Cardboard eNewsletter #72, April 2010).

Lyman

Yes Lyman, I remember that. I thought your reply was great! Gave me a good laugh.

[tbob]

I guess if I can get over being sniped at the last second on an E90-1 Joe Jackson on eBay several years ago by KO, I guess we can all learn to put aside our differences in discussing cards.
I, for one, would love to see Keith be a regular contributor here, he has a wealth of card knowledge to share.

[slidekellyslide]

He may lurk here, but he hasn't logged on since December of 2009 so I doubt he'll ever really contribute to the discussion here.

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

He may lurk here, but he hasn't logged on since December of 2009 so I doubt he'll ever really contribute to the discussion here.

Agreed, and with good reason. He won't bother with boards like this for a simple reason. Threads like this (and the one that got Brucie tossed) are a perfect example. Discussion instantly resorts to a discussion of his opinions and his TV show. There are always a few posters who have to take a back handed slap, even if ever so slight, toward his opinions and chosen occupation.

What he does for a living is entertainment, not news. Some people like it. Some hate it. But it's no different than Rush, Glenn Beck, or Bill O'Reilly (or even John Stewart.) Some people take it way too seriously and that would intefere with anything he said or did here.

He's been collecting a long time and has proven he doesn't "need" an internet message board to be successful at it.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Jim VB

Agreed, and with good reason. He won't bother with boards like this for a simple reason. Threads like this (and the one that got Brucie tossed) are a perfect example. Discussion instantly resorts to a discussion of his opinions and his TV show. There are always a few posters who have to take a back handed slap, even if ever so slight, toward his opinions and chosen occupation.

What he does for a living is entertainment, not news. Some people like it. Some hate it. But it's no different that Rush, Glenn Beck, or Bill O'Reilly (or even John Stewart.) Some people take it way too seriously and that would intefere with anything he said or did here.

He's been collecting a long time and has proven he doesn't "need" an internet message board to be successful at it.

I agree with this statement completely. It's a shame too,but is quite anticipated, given the breadth of the board members.

[kcohen]

Originally Posted by Jim VB

Agreed, and with good reason. He won't bother with boards like this for a simple reason. Threads like this (and the one that got Brucie tossed) are a perfect example. Discussion instantly resorts to a discussion of his opinions and his TV show. There are always a few posters who have to take a back handed slap, even if ever so slight, toward his opinions and chosen occupation.

Brucie got tossed? I guess I missed it.

[novakjr]

Originally Posted by Leon

I agree with this statement completely. It's a shame too,but is quite anticipated, given the breadth of the board members.

I have to agree completely too. I often stand opposite KO's views, as do many others...The thing though, is he knows it, and it doesn't need to be said here. He doesn't need to know what each and every individual feels, for or against, and neither do I, or anyone else here. He knows that with every word he says, some will love it, and some will hate it. That's his job.

Now to get on with my point. We are all here because of shared joy in collecting. Some of us will become friends, some aquaintances, others just people that we'll make a deal with from time to time. Is it ok for us to talk politics amongst each other? Sure! But not on this board. Maybe in chat, maybe over the phone, or in another forum, but this is a place for us all to get together and escape from politics and other such things. Basically, a little slice of our life devoted to one passion. Collecting, and broadening our knowledge of the hobby..

That being said, if KO were to come on here, would he be bombarded with a bunch of political crap? You bet. It's not right, because he'd be coming here for the same reason as the rest of us. For that, we should embrace him as one of us, because deep down, beyond the politics and money, that's what he is.

[elmalo]

I couldnt stand him on Sportscenter and I couldnt stand him on MSNBC, he just comes off as a pompous and miserable human being.
I have read some of the stuff he has written about cards and I do enjoy what he has to say about cards.

[steve B]

To me it's a bit sad that someone who has a good degree of knowledge and love of their hobby would feel that they had to hold back from sharing that. Either because of the nuisance of politics, or a desire not to be a distraction.

It's more sad that there are people who would feel the need to put them in that sort of situation.

It's an unfortunate price of success and celebrity I suppose, but it's still a bit sad

Steve B

[celoknob]

Originally Posted by elmalo

I couldnt stand him on Sportscenter and I couldnt stand him on MSNBC, he just comes off as a pompous and miserable human being.
I have read some of the stuff he has written about cards and I do enjoy what he has to say about cards.

Great first post, Elmalo. This is really a soild contribution to the board, calling someone a miserable human being.

Could someone please kill this thread.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by elmalo

I couldnt stand him on Sportscenter and I couldnt stand him on MSNBC, he just comes off as a pompous and miserable human being.
I have read some of the stuff he has written about cards and I do enjoy what he has to say about cards.

TaDa!!! And here is the reason why he probably won't ever contribute..this guy uses his VERY FIRST POST to tell us he thinks Keith comes off as pompous and is a miserable human being. Well done.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

TaDa!!! And here is the reason why he probably won't ever contribute..this guy uses his VERY FIRST POST to tell he thinks Keith comes off as pompous and is a miserable human being. Well done.

See my last post in the rules thread.......Agreed, completely. Actually, now there are rules against this type of behavior.....regards

[barrysloate]

Dan- He also posted anonymously. He needs to read the rules.

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by steve B

To me it's a bit sad that someone who has a good degree of knowledge and love of their hobby would feel that they had to hold back from sharing that.

Steve B

Keith shares more than almost anyone else I know. He just doesn't share it here. He has written numerous articles, for many hobby publications, some going back almost 40 years. Sharing, in a forum that would bring up negativity from other issues would be foolish, on his part. He writes a blog that is mostly about baseball but occasionally talks about cards.

And, just to be clear, it's not just Keith. Kit Young came on here (the old board) and we had a long thread about a deal gone bad from 20 years prior. I don't think he ever came back. Why would he?

Periodically, someone attacks one particular board member because he "associates with criminals!!!" The fact that he is a criminal defense attorney is lost in the attack. What he does for a living is a vital part of our society. Without his profession, our system of law and government would fall apart. Is he zealous at it? Yep. That's what makes him good at it. But he's here because he likes cards, not because of his criminal associates.

Guys like elmalo should be shown the door after their first post. If you bother to register and then spend your first post calling someone a "miserable human being," for any issue unrelated to cards, you should expect be booted.

[Leon]

Hey Jim
Even the old rules, still posted, have this:

"Also, to be absolutely clear, this is not a complaint board about grading, graders or grudges. If your first post on the forum is negative, it will likely be deleted. Trolls are not tolerated and they will be banned."

Instead of deleting, suspending or banning, I feel an appropriate response will be an infraction, and one will be given. As a first post maybe he didn't understand....now he will and as long as he remains cooperative, with some positive posts, then I don't think it's a huge deal. The new rules will go up in the next day or three, once I see if there are any glaring holes I missed (I don't think there are). I also don't want this board to be known for censoring or deleting things. I even got censored on the FreedomCardBoard board recently, for giving my opinion in the wrong place . Live and learn....

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by Jim VB

Guys like elmalo should be shown the door after their first post. If you bother to register and then spend your first post calling someone a "miserable human being," for any issue unrelated to cards, you should expect be booted.

I agree completely.

Doug

[Cat]

In the opposite, if elmalo would have used his first post to say that KO came off as a well-mannered, even-handed, fair and balanced, congenial and delightful host on MSNBC, I would have suggested a urine test.

[Vol]

Originally Posted by Cat

In the opposite, if elmalo would have used his first post to say that KO came off as a well-mannered, even-handed, fair and balanced, congenial and delightful host on MSNBC, I would have suggested a urine test.

lol.

[kcohen]

Maybe Leon can get KO to host a NET54 dinner at the next National. If he does, I'll promise to keep my pie hole shut.

[Tim Kindler]

Trying to stick just to cards here. Look Keith's, any other person's on the board, and even my own political views are really no one else's business on this board. It is just that Keith's views are known to the world because that was/is his job and they are out there for the world to see/hear. But that's why I love jumping on here each day to get away from the garbage in our real world and just enjoy vintage baseball cards. Oh, don't get me wrong, in the real world I like to duke it out on political and religious matters all the time, especially with others who might share Keith's views, but here I love to talk, hear, and see things that pertain only to baseball! I'd love to see Keith's collection on the board. I heard it is spectacular and he is very knowledgable about our hobby's history. I remember years back seeing a bunch of T206 Proofs with no lettering at the bottom and only the little crosses on the borders in an auction. I believe that Keith purchased them. I would welcome him, just as I ask to be welcomed myself, on this board and that is to talk about vintage baseball cards.
Happy Collecting everybody,
Tim

[ElCabron]

Enjoy:

[CMIZ5290]

Keith- welcome to the jungle. To all other fellow net54ers, this guy knows t206s well, and that's my pride and joy.

[Cat]

Originally Posted by kcohen

Maybe Leon can get KO to host a NET54 dinner at the next National. If he does, I'll promise to keep my pie hole shut.

Any reason to post Matt Foley is a good reason to post Matt Foley.

[Tim Kindler]

Cat,
Love It!!!! But I take offense to it because I live in a van down by the river

[glchen]

Has anyone seen Keith's collection? Yesterday, I was listening on local sportstalk radio in the San Francisco area (680), and Tony Bruno said that Keith will land on his feet fine because Keith has a baseball card collection worth more multiple times than Bruno's net worth. So I assume that Bruno has at least had a glimpse of Keith's collection, maybe when they worked together on ESPN many, many years ago.

On a related note, is Keith the biggest personality that is a serious card collector? I've heard that Bill Simmons on ESPN collects, but I think more modern stuff. Obviously Gretzky had that T206 Wagner, but is he a serious collector? I think I read that Charlie Sheen had the Merkle ball at one time also. There are a lot of whales or really rich people who collect, but I'm thinking along the lines of those who are well known in sports or entertainment.

[Kawika]

Professor Emeritus of Zeenutology Larry Moe thought Net54ers might enjoy this article from the '70's depicting Keith O, Boy Wonder. Larry is not adept with Net 54's posting mechanism so he asked me to do so. As an aside, imagine someone paying "well over $100" for a '33 Goudey Lajoie. What a dummy!

[steve B]

I agree Jim. I didn't word my earlier post well at all.

What I should have included is that while articles and blog posts are great, there's a level of detail that can be conveyed and a greater chance at getting some finer point clarified on a forum like this.

Yes, the personal attacks drive some people away, and that was my main point. That the attacks affect us all when someone like Keith Olberman or Kit Young avoid the forum because of them.
Except in extreme circumstances I think a bit less of people who would bring that sort of personal attack into a discussion, even a heated one. It's one thing to question someones hobby knowledge, but to bring unrelated outside stuff into it just seems wrong.

Steve B

Originally Posted by Jim VB

Keith shares more than almost anyone else I know. He just doesn't share it here. He has written numerous articles, for many hobby publications, some going back almost 40 years. Sharing, in a forum that would bring up negativity from other issues would be foolish, on his part. He writes a blog that is mostly about baseball but occasionally talks about cards.

And, just to be clear, it's not just Keith. Kit Young came on here (the old board) and we had a long thread about a deal gone bad from 20 years prior. I don't think he ever came back. Why would he?

Periodically, someone attacks one particular board member because he "associates with criminals!!!" The fact that he is a criminal defense attorney is lost in the attack. What he does for a living is a vital part of our society. Without his profession, our system of law and government would fall apart. Is he zealous at it? Yep. That's what makes him good at it. But he's here because he likes cards, not because of his criminal associates.

Guys like elmalo should be shown the door after their first post. If you bother to register and then spend your first post calling someone a "miserable human being," for any issue unrelated to cards, you should expect be booted.

[Mark]

Originally Posted by steve B

I agree Jim. I didn't word my earlier post well at all.

What I should have included is that while articles and blog posts are great, there's a level of detail that can be conveyed and a greater chance at getting some finer point clarified on a forum like this.

Yes, the personal attacks drive some people away, and that was my main point. That the attacks affect us all when someone like Keith Olberman or Kit Young avoid the forum because of them.
Except in extreme circumstances I think a bit less of people who would bring that sort of personal attack into a discussion, even a heated one. It's one thing to question someones hobby knowledge, but to bring unrelated outside stuff into it just seems wrong.

Steve B

It is a shame that we sometimes have personal attacks on the board. Thanks to Leon for keeping it to a minimum. All things considered, better known collectors might want to participate under a nom de plume.

[Jayjones82]

While I disagree (politely, of course) with probably all of Mr. Olbermann's political beliefs, I, too, would like to know if he's ever showcased part of his collection. I'd love to see some it...think of it as a Southern Conservative/New England Liberal unifier

[Rickyy]

As mentioned previously he has written some good articles about cards... I remember his piece in the old SCD about the T207 series and he did a several part report about Topps proof cards... I hope he can devote more time now to share more of his knowledge and enthusiam for the hobby...whether its here or in another place...

[19cbb]

For those interested in Keith's latest endeavors:

Keith Olbermann to Host Major New Nightly Primetime News and Commentary Show on Current TV.

http://current.com/keith-olbermann/

Best of luck!

[HRBAKER]

Good for him. Had no doubt that he would land on his feet. And with independent truth seekers like Al Gore too boot!