Update: Chief Bender Signed T206 W/ Out Trees.

[shimozukawa]

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[terjung]

I'm no autograph expert, but the on-card signature has enough differences from ones that are posted to give one pause. (i.e. the loops touching on "C", the apparent pause in the "C" prior to making the first loop, the beginning stroke of the "B", etc.) Interesting to note that there are no quotation marks around the "Chief" in your example.

Suffice it to say that attaining that LOA from a respected source is going to be important for you. Good luck! I hope for your sake that it's real.

[blackmamba]

Originally Posted by terjung

I'm no autograph expert, but the on-card signature has enough differences from ones that are posted to give one pause. (i.e. the loops touching on "C", the apparent pause in the "C" prior to making the first loop, the beginning stroke of the "B", etc.) Interesting to note that there are no quotation marks around the "Chief" in your example.

Suffice it to say that attaining that LOA from a respected source is going to be important for you. Good luck! I hope for your sake that it's real.

Hey, I do see what you are talking about. Just because the signature is not perfect does not make it fake. He did not always put " ". It does have JSA, i regret posting this on here with out scans of it. I just had so much interested, and they wanted a picture. So i uploaded it on here.

Thank you. Brandon

[novakjr]

Are we even sure that by JSA the old lady was even referring to James Spence? Maybe she had her neighbor Joe Salmons look at it, and write her a letter? Maybe she's actually sending and old "Justice Society of America" comic?

Mamba, I'd suggest not trying to argue without having that LOA in your hand first. You honestly shouldn't even have listed it without it. And if you don't get it, I'd suggest sending it in for authentication, and not to GAI... Maybe even pull this thread, until you get it.

[blackmamba]

Originally Posted by shimozukawa

So, basically, JSA authenticated a Bender that wasn't signed by Bender's hand? I mean, I would assume that if his "C" loops usually didn't touch, and his "B" usually started at the top, then the T206 was signed by Bender after he... went on a bender?

Another thing about this card that has me wondering...

The Bender w/ no trees is a relatively rare card, so why wouldn't the "old lady" have the card authenticated along with the autograph? I mean, this is the logic I would assume for someone who knew nothing about the hobby...

"Wow! Dad left me a T206. Didn't those nuns just sell one for a million dollars??? I should try to sell mine! It has to be worth even more than that, because it's signed!!!"

Then someone would tell her that it needs to be authenticated. I'm pretty sure at this point, they wouldn't specifically say you need an LOA for James Spence. More than likely, if the dealer she went to had scruples, they'd explain about the autograph AND the card needing to have authentication to realize maximum value.

I mean, does BGS/BVG make tier requirements according to book value of a MINT specimen or of the condition the card is actually in?

If it's the latter, it would have cost, what, an extra $25-$50 to have the card authenticated too... why just stop at the LOA? The entire concept of mounting/framing the card seems misdirected. After all, if the idea was to display it, she could have gotten it encapsulated, then put into a nice display case/box.

Just my thoughts...

You have your right to your opinion. I know all the details though. I dont know if your trying to say that it is fake or not. I don't understand some of what you wrote.

I believe the Bender with trees is the rare one. Correct me if im wrong. I will have you guys talk about this. I wont say anything unless i get a serious question about this card.

I will post the JSA when i get it. Can everyone be patient? I'm trying. lol I just want to prove it to you guys. I appreciate it. Thanks Brandon

Keep it coming!

[Leon]

Hi Brandon,
Can you please PM me when you get a chance?
thanks
leon

[shimozukawa]

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[Comiskey]

Just so everybody knows, I bought 6 American beauty t206's from Brandon about a month ago and the transaction was flawless. And, he sold me great cards too!!

Jeff

[ChiefBenderForever]

Once authenticated 1500-2000+ would take about 20 minutes I would think.

[shimozukawa]

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[CMIZ5290]

I agree with johnny. Alot of hostility on this particular post, however.

[blackmamba]

Originally Posted by Comiskey

Just so everybody knows, I bought 6 American beauty t206's from Brandon about a month ago and the transaction was flawless. And, he sold me great cards too!!

Jeff

Thank you Jeff! Glad you liked the cards!

Best regards, Brandon

[blackmamba]

Originally Posted by shimozukawa

You're probably right about the rarity of the card. That would imply that the only thing of value being sold is the signature. If that's the case, an authenticated Bender index card goes for, what... $500? I think it would behoove you to follow Andrew's advice and sell it to whoever offered you $2000 before they decide to buy someone else's for less than half that.

I still don't understand why _you_ would buy the card without having asked for a scan of the LOA (or at the VERY LEAST, the LOA number). I suggest submitting the card to BGS for encapsulation. Since you already have an LOA from, I'll assume, James Spence, you won't be required to pay for authentication once again. Just for the grading/authentication fee from BVG.

I did have her send me a picture of the LOA. I did not save the email (stupid on my part). I'll keep in touch with you guys. Thanks

[Jim VB]

Tough week to be named Brandon or Brendan!