Spring cleaning comes early to the Plank household...

[wonkaticket]

To be fair to Paragon auctions whoever they may be. Leon the card is listed as being cleaned in the auction.

I just saw the card and knew it was one of the 4 from REA last year. I'm with you on chemicals over time and that's a good question.

Anyone know of any methods used back in the day for cleaning cards that now years later have caused more problems than they fixed?

Cheers,

John

[teetwoohsix]

This is a shame. All this for a half of a grade higher? Even the back of the card looks too white, it looks like it's lost it's beautiful natural aging

It should be graded "A". Altered.

Great eye Wonka !!

Sincerely, Clayton

[T206Collector]

If you collect pre-war cards with the expectation that they have never been soaked in water or cleaned with hard-to-trace chemicals, then the good news is that you'll never notice the really good cleanings and you can keep deluding yourself.

[FrankWakefield]

Maybe it wasn't so much a stain, maybe it was remnants of cola or some water soluble fluid. Maybe the card was merely soaked. And maybe, just maybe, the card slabber folks aren't as adept at detecting a soaked card... or maybe they don't discount mere soaking at all.

If chemicals were used, then I'd like to think that those grader guys would be all over that. I don't think chemicals should be used, and if they are that should definitely be disclosed as the card changes hands. But soaking a T206 in water isn't that big of a deal, it isn't a deal at all. Many of them have been soaked, many of them were once pasted into scrapbooks.

[FrankWakefield]

One more thing... the back looks whiter. I think chemicals were used. The backs don't change like that from a mere soaking.

[terjung]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

To be fair to Paragon auctions whoever they may be. Leon the card is listed as being cleaned in the auction.

Twice, in fact.

"...Just to mention this card has been cleaned. Despite the aforementioned condition specifications, the card presents very well and the near-perfect centering and bold color create tremendous eye-appeal. Just for detail this card has been cleaned...."

[teetwoohsix]

Originally Posted by terjung

Twice, in fact.

"...Just to mention this card has been cleaned. Despite the aforementioned condition specifications, the card presents very well and the near-perfect centering and bold color create tremendous eye-appeal. Just for detail this card has been cleaned...."

Kudos to them for mentioning it's been cleaned, but cleaned with what?

[barrysloate]

If Paragon Auctions knows it was cleaned, wouldn't PSA have known too?

[DJR]

.

[cobblove]

interesting

[botn]

The auction only states the card was cleaned. John states in his initial post that it was chemically cleaned. While Barry is certain chemicals were used, none of us knows for sure unless we were the one to do it. Also the T206 Davis which Probstein123 sold on 10/6/10 had a different cert run than the Plank. Cert of Probstein123's Davis is 17297913.

The card was obviously cleaned but I think it is a bit impulsive and therefore irresponsible to conclude it was with chemicals. Either way, the fact the submitter placed a 30K card with other cards which are worth less than $500 does seem very suspicious. This is not the first time that submitters have gotten things past PSA and exposed this vulnerability. It is an old trick that I would have thought PSA would have done something to prevent. This submission was probably done for $10 a card, or less, and not seen by the most experienced graders. If this is the case PSA should do something at the receiving stage to prevent this or at least make it less likely to happen. How complicated would the software need to be to prevent a 30k card being submitted on a submission designed to grade cards worth less than $500? As long as you place the value low enough on the submission form seems you can get anything through. If the receivers do not catch it and the graders do not catch it then you have to rely on software or this kind of thing will continue to occur.

[FrankWakefield]

Impulsivity and irresponsibility aside, that card doesn't change like that from a mere soaking. The old back has that nice, familiar creamy tone to it, the new back is white. If you don't believe that, soak some T206s and see how there's no change, but for some dirt, dust, tobacco bits, scrapbook remnants, and paste separating from the card.

Good job, John, for catching this.

Originally Posted by botn

The card was obviously cleaned but I think it is a bit impulsive and therefore irresponsible to conclude it was with chemicals.

Am I the only person to see Planks Face is 2 shades lighter also?? Water wont do that. Just wanted to point that out since I had not seen it mentioned yet. It deserves an "A" but do we really need to be surprised that PSA will slab just about anything yet somehow command better prices due to over grading and an older registry. JMO FWIW