A case for the timeline of the T213-1 (COUPON) set

[toppcat]

Excellent read Ted.

[DixieBaseball]

Thanks ! Interesting stuff, indeed.

[FrankWakefield]

First, I understand that 3rd card isn't a T213-1; it's a -2, I lack the -1.

Ray Demmitt's transaction line says that on December 16, 1909 the New York Highlanders traded him and Joe Lake to the St. Louis Browns for Lou Criger.

Now... setting aside all of that print run stuff, two things. Thing one, it seems unlikely that American Litho could have printed Demmitt with St. Louis prior to mid December 1909. Thing 2, American Litho could have printed Demmitt cards with St. Louis on there at most any reasonable time thereafter... February, maybe wait until April to see if he's up... any time. They could have even still sent out New York cards for a few months until they got the change in.

This wasn't like a newspaper, where there's some token attempt at getting something correct. These guys were just printing insert cards for a tobacco company, I don't think they were too torn up about minor mistakes or shortcomings.

[ethicsprof]

excellent illustrative and corroborative work for the case you present.

many thanks for all the efforts and for sharing them.

well done, ole friend.

best,
barry

[toppcat]

Ted/All:

The comment about printing in Feb. or April on Demmitt brings up an interesting point. Were T206 and any possible related, contemporary sets, issued continuously from late 1909 until mid 1911 or were there periods where the card inserts were of other subjects and types? I know some T206 cards were accompanied by cards from other sets in the slide and shells but I really do wonder if T206 took off the hot stove season, or at least the peak of winter each time through the cycle.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by toppcat

Ted/All:

The comment about printing in Feb. or April on Demmitt brings up an interesting point. Were T206 and any possible related, contemporary sets, issued continuously from late 1909 until mid 1911 or were there periods where the card inserts were of other subjects and types? I know some T206 cards were accompanied by cards from other sets in the slide and shells but I really do wonder if T206 took off the hot stove season, or at least the peak of winter each time through the cycle.

I finally got a chance to re-read your post after shoveling snow and ice this morning. So, let's see if I can answer you. The cold outdoors with
freezing rain chunks falling on me off the tall oaks woke me up.

I know of these two sets of non-sports cards issued by American Litho (ALC) during the T206 era that may have been intermixed with T206's
at the very start. Very quickly, though, these baseball cards became very popular. Therefore, two T206's were then inserted into a pack.

(a) circa 1909....T42 Birds (OLD MILL, PIEDMONT, and SWEET CAPORAL)

(b) circa 1909....T58 Fish (PIEDMONT, SOVEREIGN, and SWEET CAPORAL

Circa Spring 1911....we have ALC records that indicate in the Spring of 1911 the T80 (Military Men) Gold-Bordered cards were intermixed with
T206's with LENOX, TOLSTOI, and UZIT backs. One T206 and one T80 in a cigarette pack.
By the Spring of 1911, ALC was using up what was left of their T206 stock; so, I would guess that's why they intermixing T80's with T206's.







Did I answer your question ?


TED Z

[tedzan]

While I was typing my response to your earlier post, I now see your new post.

After dinner I'll respond to your new post.

Best regards,

TED Z