1871-1872 Warren CDVs vs 1873 Boston team cabinet

[orator1]

This John J. Ryan was sold in a lot of 8 Warren CDVs in Sotheby's December 2005 auction. For those who have the catalogue, is the Ryan image any clearer than this online image? This is the only "Ryan batting" CDV I could locate (maybe 1 of 1?), so if someone could post or email a better resolution image I'd appreciate it.

[barrysloate]

Paul- those are actually Warren cabinets, and not CdV's.

[orator1]

Barry, thanks for the correction. I know this is a pretty basic question, but how can one distinguish between a Warren CDV and a Warren cabinet by looking at the scans?

[barrysloate]

You can tell by looking at the mount. The lettering is small and spacing is different from a CdV. Also, I remember the lot. I was part of a group (one of that group has already posted on this thread) that was trying to buy the bunch of them. No luck.

[GaryPassamonte]

You know, Paul, I don't think I've ever seen the O'Rourke Warren CdV anyplace. Do you know of one?

[orator1]

The first time I saw a Warren CDV of O'Rourke was when it was pictured in a VCBC article, issue #34. The article was about the National Association's 1872 season. I later learned that O'Rourke's Warren CDV was sold in the 1991 Sotheby's Copeland auction, lot 797. It has O'Rourke's name handwritten on the front like the Barnes CDV, and is the same image used in the 1873 Boston team composite - his first year with Boston.

[barrysloate]

I just checked the Copeland catalog and lot 797 is indeed O'Rourke. Interestingly, the previous lot, 796, is purported to be Ross Barnes but I always believed it was misidentified.

[Baseball Rarities]

Originally Posted by orator1

Barry, thanks for the correction. I know this is a pretty basic question, but how can one distinguish between a Warren CDV and a Warren cabinet by looking at the scans?

Paul,

Also, I believe that the height and width proportions of cabinets and CDVs are generally different. For example, if they were both sized to the same height on your computer screen, the cabinet would be wider than the CDV.