Who is the greatest BB player you ever SAW?

[quinnsryche]

Originally Posted by Kenny Cole

Koufax pitched the first game I ever saw in person. It was his last year in the majors and I was five years old. I had no clue what what happening, but I remember watching all those Giants batters flailing away and hitting nothing but air. He went 9 innings and pitched a shutout. It was awesome, I was hooked, and he was my hero from then on out. He still is.

Until Barry Bonds came along, I never thought I would see anyone who approached Willie Mays as an all around baseball player. Bonds was better. Steroids or not, he was so good it was scary.

Kenny Cole

You can't discount the steroids considering he was on it for possibly the last 8 - 10 years of his career. How good would Willie Mays have been all doped up? Hit 1000 hrs.? 3000 rbi's.? Who knows? What we do know is Bonds was a cheat and every stat and record he owns should be expunged from the MLB records along with all the other cheaters: Palmeiro, McGwire, Clemens, A-Rod, Sosa etc. Let me leave you with this, if Bonds was so good, why did he have to cheat 1/2 of his career?

[Kenny Cole]

Spare me the self-righteous indignation about steroids. I don't care. If you do, power to you. Engaging in that discussion is an absolute waste of time.

Regardless of the reason, Bonds was simply the most feared player in the game, and rightfully so. I also guess we need to discount all of Mays stats because he took greenies, right?

[tachyonbb]

Pitcher: Bob Gibson Living in a minor league town, we only got to St. Louis once every other year or so to see a game in person. In 67 I was finally on my own and drove to St. Louis a few time just to watch him pitch.

Batter: Most explosive home run I have ever seen came from Barry Bonds. We were at spring training in Scottsdale and he hit one that got to fence faster than I have ever witnessed before. The whole crowd just went silent for a moment after that shot.

[Mollys Dad]

Pete Rose. I grew up watching him and the Big Red Machine play. I was at the game on Sept. 11th, 1985 when he broke Cobb's record. My ears still hurt.

[peterb69]

Hitter - George Brett
Pitcher - Roger Clemens
Althlete - Bo Jackson

[quinnsryche]

Originally Posted by Kenny Cole

Spare me the self-righteous indignation about steroids. I don't care. If you do, power to you. Engaging in that discussion is an absolute waste of time.

Regardless of the reason, Bonds was simply the most feared player in the game, and rightfully so. I also guess we need to discount all of Mays stats because he took greenies, right?

Greenies didn't blow your body up to 2x it's normal size, give you the head the size of a basketball or turn you into a rage driven prick. Choose to ignore the fact that what these guys did certainly effected they're performance 10 fold. Jimmie Foxx and Ted Kluszewski cut their uniform sleeves off because of hard work not needles. "Engaging in that discussion" is NOT a waste of time as long as you don't idolize or respect the accomplishments of cheaters and drug addicts. By the way, if you don't care, why respond? Bonds was feared because he was an abnormal freak, no one ever talked of not pitching to him when he weighed 180 lbs.

[Mikehealer]

I'm not sure, but Bonds led the league in intentional walks basically every year from 1992 forward. Here is a picture of him in 1992, doesn't look all that big.
He was easily the best player in baseball from 1990 until he retired. I couldn't care less if he or any of the steroid users get in the HOF, but there is no denying he was the best player in baseball before and after steroid use.

[glenv]

In 7 years Bonds hit .275 for Pittsburgh and his best HR season was 34. He was the best in baseball at the time???

[Mikehealer]

Originally Posted by glenv

In 7 years Bonds hit .275 for Pittsburgh and his best HR season was 34. He was the best in baseball at the time???

If you read my post I said from 1990, which would include his final three years in Pittsburgh.

[Kenny Cole]

Tony,

I responded, because you had first responded to my post. I don't care if you like my selection or not. And discussing steroids is a waste of time as far as I'm concerned. Do you really think that your rant about what you believe on that issue, stated as if its the only viewpoint that can possibly exist, matters to me at all? If you do, you are very much mistaken.

The question you asked was who was the best player you ever saw, not who was the best player you ever saw who you can unequivocally state didn't cheat. My answer was Bonds. That's still my answer. The fact that you don't seem to like my answer changes nothing.