new hof'ers

[novakjr]

Originally Posted by murphusa

how about a prospect that would lose 250 games in the next 22 years

I might be the only one that thinks this way...But, wins and losses are a somewhat insignificant stat when it comes to a pitcher's true merit and value. The last I knew they don't just hand out Cy Young awards to pitchers with 13-12 records. Oh, wait! Nevermind, it appears that people are finally starting to look past wins and losses when it comes to pitchers. Why's that? Because a pitcher isn't fully responsible for whether a game is won or lost. There's more than just one aspect to baseball, offense and defense. Sometime, even the best defense can lose without any offense and vice versa. A team loses a game as a whole, more often than a pitcher alone does. I've just never seen Bert as the type of guy who lost games for his teams.

Walter Johnson-279 losses in 21 seasons
Cy Young-316 losses in 22 seasons
Phil Neikro- 274 losses in 24 season
Warren Spahn-245 losses in 21 seasons
Nolan Ryan-297 losses in 27 seasons
Steve Carlton-244 losses in 24 seasons.

Based on your logic, are you trying to tell me you wouldn't want any of those guys?

[HRBAKER]

Those are two different questions, sure I would want Blyleven on my team if I knew beforehand what his stats would be. Does the fact that I would want him based on those terrific stats MAKE him a HOFer? No. I am not saying he is or isn't IMO.

edit to add: Let's don't give these guys too much credit, the lion's share who did sterioids didn't do it bc everyone else was, they did it bc of the money being thrown around. Same reason the owners/commissioner didn't stop it. That doesn't make any of them non-cheaters IMO.