Opinions: Fro-Joy Premium

[Clutch-Hitter]

Thanks Steve and Leon. This is the reason I initiated this thread, so experts could view the card and tell me what I need to know about this card.

Leon, I have fondly associated the name Beckett with sportscards for many years now. They have authenticated many vintage card issues but this isn't a common issue like T206's, etc. If Beckett was simply cautious with this card, The Beckett name should not be discredited by anyone simply due to this seldom seen card issue. As for the important part, I'm trying to figure out if this card is authentic, as I believe it is.

Steve, I do agree that an authentication company should err on the side of caution if there are any doubts. Assuming this is a counterfeit, the criminal happened to correctly measure the interior, depressed portion of the card. If this is a counterfeit, there has to be a way to positively identify the counterfeit characteristics of the card.

I have a Canon T1i, tripod, macro lens, detachable flash, remote switch etc. What do I need to look for? Trust me, I want to prove this card is a counterfeit and identify the associated characteristics.

Here's a link to an REA auction:

Beckett replied to my e-mail that PSA and/or SGC would reach the same conclusion: ALTERED, and would subsequently label the their conclusion the way Beckett did: QUESTIONABLE AUTHENTICITY.

I've been a PSA member for approx a decade and know that PSA would not indicate QUESTIONABLE AUTHENTICITY on an altered item. PSA would say: ALTERED. Again, altered means authentic but enhanced, right?

I did like the fact that Beckett replied to my e-mail, and I understand why they wouldn't post on this forum. I also like the fact that Beckett, a name I have associated with our hobby for a long time now, is bold enough to authenticate Fro Joy's. I like their holders, their fair prices.......and the Beckett name.

If Beckett was simply cautious with this card, Beckett should not be discredited by anyone simply due to this seldom seen card issue.

[Clutch-Hitter]

Thanks Peter.

[Leon]

Each time that I have given Beckett cards, which have issues, they have explained in full, and to my satisfaction, why something is the way it is. Heck, if you think you know something different, and have firm reasoning behind it, I am positive they will listen. I know part of the process for determining authenticity is by examining the printing process, ink and patterns. I am aware they do that with very good objectivity, based on processes from the era, as part of their evaluation. I wouldn't look so much at the other attributes (size, trimming, wear etc...) before I was comfortable with that one. regards...

oh yeah, you don't really need to make 20?pt bold letters. Most members can see with the normal writing. You could bold it or underline it, but those big letters don't really help your cause very much. We understand you are upset.

[Clutch-Hitter]

OK Leon. Thank you for your time. This is a great hobby, but it's very frustrating sometimes. I'm going to hunt the seller down now and send this back to him.

I appreciate everyone's time, as always.

By the way, Leon, I wanted to make these letters real big and bold but I stopped myself!

[teetwoohsix]

I think in a case like this it would be nice if they did give you more of a detailed explanation of how they came to their conclusion. Where's Frank W. and his blacklight?

Good luck, I hope you get some answers.

Sincerely, Clayton

[Clutch-Hitter]

Thanks Clayton. It would have been helpful if they did provide some details at least.

I contacted the seller. He said he'll refund my money after I return the card, so that's good.

[Clutch-Hitter]

Thanks Frank. If you look at the Ebay auction link at the beginning of this thread, you'll notice in the ask a question section that someone told the seller his premium should be black instead of blue. The seller apparently looked at the description and changed it to black, adding he didn't know why he said blue to start with.

I don't think that seller is changing it just because that guy said something. The card I have has just a hint of blue. It's very, very subtle, so much so that my wife and I looked at this card for a while trying to figure out if it had blue or not. It has a hint.

The seller said the same thing about the condition of this card. He said why would someone make something like that?