500 HomeRun Club Baseball

[kdavis34]

Here ya go.

[kdavis34]

Dear Truthisoutthere, As far as "so-called" signed in person, I live in D/FW, fiance at the time was family friends of Mick, and he drank at the bar I worked at all the time when I was working my way through college....Geez.......

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

They compare well to each other because they are all forgeries that originated out of southern Florida in the 1990's. I have literally examined thousands of these items. This is simply "Operation Bullpen" material. Mantle's signature was never shaky like that.

[thetruthisoutthere]

[QUOTE=kdavis34;857438]Dear Truthisoutthere, As far as "so-called" signed in person, I live in D/FW, fiance at the time was family friends of Mick, and he drank at the bar I worked at all the time when I was working my way through college....Geez.......[/QUOTN

Now please tell us how you really acquired that Mickey Mantle autographed baseball? Even when Mantle was "under the weather" his signature was never shaky. And that "Mantle" is simply awful. It's amazing how people who own "that" Mantle always say that "he was drinking at the time." That never impaired his ability to sign his beautiful "Mickey Mantle."

[shelly]

I hope you where kidding about the above ball. That Williams ,Mantle ball sold on shop at home with a bunch of other gargbage. It was supplied by B and J, Howards and Madison. You can play catch or hit it with a bat. I would wash it off first the ink could get on your hands.

[RichardSimon]

Geez Mr Davis,,, you are right the signatures on your ss balls sure look like the signatures on the 500 HR ball,the same tremors and hesitation appear in the signatures on the ss balls and the 500 HR ball. Obviously signed by the same person. Guess Mickey must have had the same amount of drinks in him when he signed that 500 HR ball as when he signed your baseball.

[kdavis34]

I never claimed to be an expert, if they are bad they are bad, why is everyone so hostile on this board....Merry Christmas!

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by kdavis34

I never claimed to be an expert, if they are bad they are bad, why is everyone so hostile on this board....Merry Christmas!

KD-

It is not hostility to you, it is just frustration at all the vermin who have badly hurt the autograph market. Some of whom probably read this board.

[kdavis34]

Appreciate that and appreciate the input, hope all have a great holiday. I will not make the same mistake again!!

[thetruthisoutthere]

I want to wish everyone a Merry Christmas and Happy Holiday.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by kdavis34

I never claimed to be an expert, if they are bad they are bad, why is everyone so hostile on this board....Merry Christmas!

Mr. Kdavis, no one is being hostile on this forum. But you have to understand that collectors have had it "up to here" with the flood of forgeries in the hobby. If you want to own sports autographs why don't you do some research first? The collectors here who are knowledgeable about autographs have taken a lot of time to study autographs and research autographs. Why do you think autograph fraud is rampant on Ebay? Because the sellers of forgeries on Ebay know that 80% of people who buy autographs don't have a clue and it's an easy buck for the sellers of forgeries. There's a seller on Ebay right now (I did a video on them) who sells between 100-200 forgeries a week on baseball and football cards. Every week they have at least 3-4 Tom Brady sigs, one or two Walter Payton sigs, etc. The seller claims they get all of their autographs through the mail. How about some common sense out there. Anyway, everyone enjoy their weekend and Christmas.

[Lordstan]

Ok so my 2 questions are
1) In what world would a legit 500 HR baseball sell for $227
2) Why would you spend $200 on anything without seeing the enitre item? None of the other sigs are visible. Even if the Mantle and Williams are real(which they are not), if the other signatures are bad the ball's value is destroyed.

[kdavis34]

Have already returned ball for full refund, nothing lost, no worries.....Thanks though, got caught up in a moment. Sure it has never happened to anyone on this board....

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by kdavis34

Have already returned ball for full refund, nothing lost, no worries.....Thanks though, got caught up in a moment. Sure it has never happened to anyone on this board....

Thanks for posting your thoughts and your auto's here. Thanks for taking the time to search out the information and get the answers you need. I'm just a collector and have I have fell pray to fakes too. I think it's important to look at the Mantle auto's again and look for some of the "tells".

First you will notice that despite being shaky, the M's (1/2 moons) are very narrow to start with. The baseline of the "Mickey" is almost always perfect. Notice how in the forged ball the "k" drops below the baseline. It also might appear as "Milkey" as the c points up too much. The curved top of the K also generally lines up with tail of the y. The Ma in Mantle is always the biggest tells for me. There is no slow moving curve where the M attaches to the a. It is usually more of a flick or runs up the a. It also would appear to read in the forged item," Mautle".


These are some I use to spot obvious forgeries. These guys here are pros and sometimes they probably are a little harsh like I am too because we are all just sick that this can keep happening at such a frightening level. If anyone knows the score it's Richard, Jodi, TT2 and especially Shelly, who lived the tale. Thanks Shelly for adding to the discussion. Once you know what to look for, these obvious forgeries actually just jump right out at you.

Compare this authentic signature to the ss ball you have and I think you would agree there is no comparison.

Thanks again for sharing your experiences and nice job getting your money back. I hope you stay active on the board. Merry Christmas to all. FUDD

[kdavis34]

I do appreciate all of you guy's help. It did get me to thinking where my stuff came from because I have been collecting for 30+ years. I bet my DiMaggio stuff is probably fake as well! The Williams/DiMaggio stuff was probably purchased in the late 80's/early 90's from an advertisement in SCD. I will have to go look at my fake certificates to see from who. The Mantle I thought was from my soon to be Aunt. The rest of my auto's have been from shows where I have seen them sign. I have probably bought 1-2 from Ebay in my life, obviously 1 of them the big disaster that caused all of this. I will never sell any of it and pass it to my son who I guess one day will figure out that his Mantle, DiMaggio, and Williams stuff is no good, but that is a VERY small part of what I have collected so that is ok.

P.S.Does anyone have an opinion on Coach's Corner Auctions???? I have bought some older "cuts" from them through the years....