1910 Phil A's team premium? Help please

FrankWakefield · #1 12-20-2010, 02:49 PM

So while looking for some stuff to sell, I came across a box I'd not seen in a while, and in there was a Baseball Magazine, probably my oldest one. It is the May 1912 issue (I love using the word 'issue' with the meaning that I knew years ago, and not this new concept where it means 'problem'). Anyway, back in the back of the magazine, pages 111 and 112 seemed interesting. So I've scanned them.

Now for this thread, the first matter of note is that on page 112 we have the M113 we've discussed in this thread. Above I doubted the 1913 date, and the 1910 date. With this in hand, I think that BM began issuing this in 1912, notwithstanding B&A's 1910 copyright.

But, of greater interest to me are the 8 posters offered on page 111. The posters are listed on the right, with numbers. Number 1 is Ty Cobb. Number 2 is Harry Lord. Anyone here seen a Lord M113??? Anyone here own one??? An image of what it would be is top center on that page. The Standard Catalog doesn't list a Lord M113 as I can see. Maybe someone can point it out for me. The Standard Catalog mentions Mathewson as a 1913 issue, and Baker in 1914. Yet this page in Baseball Magazine has them listed in May 1912.

It is my firm belief that some of the ads for M113s and M114s mention premiums that were never available. But I thought that was something that occurred in the late 50s and early 60s, based on talking with old collectors. So I think there may well be a Lord premium out there that The Standard Catalog has overlooked. And I've long thought some of dating of the premiums was a bit off in The Standard Catalog. I'm not maligning TSC, I'm glad they listed these in the first place, and they are an elusive issue to pin down completely.

doug.goodman · #2 12-20-2010, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by FrankWakefield

It is my firm belief that some of the ads for M113s and M114s mention premiums that were never available.

I agree Frank,

I have the Wagner (trimmed), listed in the ad as #5, but take a look at the scan and you'll see that it's noted on the actual poster as #2, leading me to think that Lord may not exist (but it might).

The thing with these issues (insert smiley face here) is that they are virtually impossible to date, and the only way they will be cataloged is if we all combine our lists, even then there will continue to be new discoveries.

I think the TSC did the very best job that could be done, but those of us who collect them could help update the list, adding those that we have which aren't on the list, at least. It's hard to get rid of items listed that don't exist, because it's virtually impossible to prove that they don't exist. The Dan Howley La Presse Roto would be (for me) a specific item that I think might not exist, but is in the catalog.

The White / McBride 1962 Topps stamp panel has been thought by many to not exist, but we now know that it does, so removing things can get tricky, I think noting that they MAY not exist is better.

Doug