Opinions: Fro-Joy Premium

[canjond]

Interesting - well I might eb changing my opinion as that clearly explains why the cardboard looked so "weird" to me.

[fkw]

I dont recall ever seeing a fake premium. They werent reproduced like the sheet of cards.
Yours is just missing alot of the border, probably 80%.

I remember it on eBay.

[drc]

It's correct that the cards and the card sheets were massively reprinted way back when, but not the Ruth photo premium. Thus, if you find a Ruth photo premium it's many, many times more likely to be genuine. The infamous Fro Joy reprints problem is with the cards and card sheets, not the Ruth photo premium.

[Clutch-Hitter]

Thanks for the information.

FKW, yeah, I bought it from a seller that sells pre-war cards and seems to know what he's doing. When I received it, it never crossed my mind that it was possibly not authentic.

[Clutch-Hitter]

I sent this Fro-Joy premium to BECKETT, knowing it was authentic, and requested authentication only, no number grade. I sent it because my son will be getting my Ruth cards and an authenticated card will be less hassle, which is an excuse for me to collect cards I guess. This was BECKETT'S conclusion:



I've been collecting pre-war for approx 15 years, including Ruth cards, and it never occurred to me that they would conclude the card was not authentic. And yes, questionable authenticity means not authentic. So I e-mailed Beckett and received the following reply:

"Hello Greg,
We certainly recommend sending it to PSA or SGC for a second opinion if you are unhappy with our conclusion. We are very confident that you will get the same response from them. Also, just so you are aware, if PSA or SGC does find that the card is altered you will get the same “Questionable Authenticity” response from them that we gave.
Thanks,
BGS

So it's altered? Is it counterfeit or is it altered? They have a little check box for altered. Heck, they didn't even write a sentence on the card, no brief explanation, nothing. BECKETT can't make up BECKETT'S mind. BECKETT, the leader in grading half cards, cards with no name, etc, oh, and 1995 Topps. If anybody knows that PSA and SGC don't grade Fro-Joys, it's Beckett. No, if anything, SGC and PSA would say trimmed because of it's dimensions, and BECKETT knows they don't grade this issue, so it's an integrity issue for BECKETT to say that. Almost 50.00, man why did I send the modern card people this card? Where's that BECKETT guy that hangs around this board?

We all know what happens to a counterfeit image when a flash impacts that image directly: it wipes the image out, fluoresces and wipes it out. I intentionally used a flash for the pictures and hit the card dead center at a 90 degree angle.


This is where the depressed portion ended, which is one significant clue to anybody, wouldn't you say?

[Clutch-Hitter]

Here's a link to Lengendary Auctions May 2010 auction, which included a 1928 Fro Joy Premium in it's entirety. They included pictures/scans and cropped the border of the photo to allow for a better view in one of them. If you click on the thumbnail, it'll zoom in.

http://www.legendaryauctions.com/Lot...x?lotid=108654

[Ladder7]

As with most other counterfeited items. The dark areas are always too black where they meet the white areas (lack of transition), removing the real subtle folds and reflections in images. ie; the dark area beneath the R arm, under the brim and the front belt loops.

Nowadays, seems the savvy scammers are using blank pages from very old books etc, to feed their printers -these won't flouresce.

Look at every item as dirty 'til proven clean. And use the experienced eyes of the collectors on this board if in doubt.

If Beckett slabbed this reprint, they'd certainly be knuckleheads.