Question about Babe Ruth underwear box

[fkw]

Here is the one I had, if its a fake its the most convincing fake of anything IVe ever seen!!!!, with mildew, and very old glue, etc.
and the image is Not Copied BTW, so get past that....

Why would the guy who faked these COMPLETELY redraw the whole design??? Everything about the design is different between the green and white side boxes, the placement of the "Babe Ruth" the "9", the background of the Ruth image, the removal of "The Champion Nine", the removal of the line around the edge, etc. Makes no sense to redraw the whole thing when you could just copy it from the original.

Mine wouldnt fit on the scanner so I dont have the size info, but there was size printing in blue ink on the white edge too.

Im saying its REAL, and just a later version. It would be cheaper to just slap these stickers on a cheap white box, than to print the whole thing up on the box itself, sides and all.
I owned mine for at least 10 years before I sold it a couple years back.

[ctownboy]

FKW,

Go to eBay and look under completed auctions for "Babe Ruth underwear". The very bottom listing on the page is for a FAKE tin sign made in 1993. The sign is said to be authorized by the family as a REPRODUCTION.

If you will see, the graphics ARE different on the fake sign and match the graphics on the white sided underwear box. The nine around Ruth is thinner on the fake sign and the fake sign does NOT have "The Champion Nine" at the bottom JUST LIKE the white sided underwear box.

I am NOT an expert in graphic design BUT I think, with a little practice, I could take a fake sign to Kinkos and make a COPY of the front and THEN make copies of that picture and past them on old boxes.

In short, I think;

1) the white sided underwear boxes are fake

2) scam artists will do ANYTHING to make a buck even if it means going to great links to steal money from people. Links which are far harder and take much more time than actually getting a job and going to work.

David

[ctownboy]

FKW,

Oh yeah, I forgot to add. You said you sold your white sided underwear box a couple of years ago and that you had owned it for 10 years? Well, that would still mean the fake sign was made five years before you bought your underwear box.

Now, if you had owned your white sided underwear box for 25 years and the fake sign came out in 1993, then I could see there is a chance the white sided underwear boxes are real.

David

[fkw]

Good point on the repo sign... never seen one of them (Im going to look it up to see).
But what came first, the sign or the white sided boxes??
Usually those signs are copied from original pieces, ie the green sided box.

someone still had to redraw the whole thing, and why would a modern faker spend the time doing so when they could quickly rescreen the original.

If someone has a white sided box with the underwear still inside that would be good proof IMO.

Good Mystery

[bigtrain]

Okay, so its possible someone made a label from a copy of the sign, acquired a stash of vintage, yellowed, aged, mildewed clothing boxes and artificially aged the glue marks etc. Doesn't that raise another question? Why would the sign company completely redesign the image instead of making a copy of the original? Isn't it possible that the sign was made from the later version of the box and not vice versa?

[bigtrain]

Great minds think alike Frank. You beat me by a minute.

[fkw]

Looked at the sign, its the same design exactly.

http://cgi.ebay.com/BABE-RUTH-ALL-AM...-/130453656061

The "whites of the eyes" on the box are more white, and some parts of the image of the hair seems crisper/clearer.

Maybe someone can find proof these boxes existed before 1993.

Maybe an ad in Baseball Hobby News, SCD, or The Traders Speak, or a picture in an early auction catalog maybe???

Better would be to find the underwear inside the box.

*Negative about these white sided boxes is they are too common, and always seem to be flat, with no bottom. Anyone seen a complete white sided box?
Also the 18 year old repo sign seems scarcer than the box too.

Lets solve this mystery

[HBroll]

The photo of the tin repro sign and the green/white box top are not exactly the same. The tin sign HAS the square line surrounding Ruth's image (like the all green box top) but the green/white box top has no square line surrounding Ruth's image. So what we have are 3 different designs.