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[rarerookies]

I don't consider my stuff crap. How many people do you know that can make a card got from new to old in 3 days?

Originally Posted by Kawika

No. I don't bother buying crap.

[BlueDevil89]

Activity such as this is a scourge to the hobby. I vote for a lifetime ban from the forum for engaging in such an unethical and deceptive practice.

All those in favor...

[Robextend]

My main fear is that these cards will end up in the hands of someone that will try and deceive and eventually rip off a buyer. Of course you have a right to sell these cards, however you are contributing to one of the big problems in this hobby. On this board your actions won't be received very well.

[AndyG09]

This is flat out wrong. I am all for the banishment!

[rarerookies]

I think Nazi's and the Communist's did similar things to beliefs that they didn't like too. Screw the Bill of Rights. Just a piece of paper when people disagree. If you disagree with this please tell me you disagree with all the pirated music, bootlegged movies, knock off purses and Folex watches.

[rarerookies]

We will get rid of all the religions, democracy, and capitalist ideas that plague our society forever!!!

[quinnsryche]

Why not just stamp them "reprint" and avoid all the contention? I think you wouldn't have so much venom spit at you if you just did that. What would be the harm in an embossed stamp on the back that says what it is? Those in the hobby are the only police in the hobby, so you have to see why some are so concerned. You must realize by doing this you create a problem that doesn't need to be. Topps issues reprints all the time and no one here bats an eyelash. That's because they are clearly marked as reprints and it's all done above board. I think it's the deceptive way this process is done that makes it so offensive to most on this site. Just some insights, take them or leave them. Yes this is America, you have every right to do what you do, but it doesn't make it moral.

[BlueDevil89]

rarerookies posted - "If you disagree with this please tell me you disagree with all the pirated music, bootlegged movies, knock off purses and Folex watches."

Yes, I disagree with all forms of pirated and counterfeited products. I do not support such activities as they violate trademark, patent, copyright laws, etc., and represent a form of theft.

As for your decision to take reprints and age them to look like originals, this is a form of fraud aimed at deceiving unsuspecting consumers. Just because you are making and selling the counterfeits as reprints for only $5 each, you think that you are not at fault - but you are! You know full well that the majority of individuals interested in your service are con artists who will attempt to pass off the fakes as originals for much higher prices. You are profiting from a service that supports the counterfeit card market. (Consider - Aren't the guys who produce meth in their home labs just as guilty as the dealers who sell / distribute the illegal drugs to addicts and children?)

It's disturbing that you would compare your unethical and immoral practice to the pursuit of freedom of "religions, democracy, and capitalist ideas". You truly have a warped sense of justice, and you apparently lack the basic understanding of the concept of what is right and wrong.

I hope that you will give further consideration to this matter and recognize that you are engaging in a dishonest actitivity that promotes fraud. If your artificial aging business were to actually take off and increase in volume, you could end up being prosecuted by authorities for conspiracy as part of a counterfeit memorabilia ring. Please discontinue your promotion of this dishonorable pursuit and find a hobby that is more worthy of your time and effort.

[jb217676]

Originally Posted by rarerookies

I don't consider my stuff crap. How many people do you know that can make a card got from new to old in 3 days?

During the "aging" process the copyright line has gone missing on the back of the Wagner. If you did that you should be ashamed of yourself. These cards will eventually trickle down into the hands of somebody who thinks they are real. If you have any self respect you should burn these cards and issue an apology to these long time collectors on this forum for even showing these. One of the biggest problems in this hobby is making sure the card you buy is authentic and unaltered and these cards are a slap in the face to all of the collectors here and abroad. You sacrificed your integrity for the 1 or 2 dollars you were hoping to get for each of these cards. Stuff like this won't fly here, and I can't believe you had the guts to try and sell these here. This isn't Craigslist or Ebay, this is Net54 and you're not welcome if you try to use this site to get your fake cards out into the world. Happy Thanksgiving!
Jeff

[vintagecpa]

Using the words meth and nazi's to justify your business? Unbelievable. The mere fact that whole reprint is evenly aged except for the copyright which is completely removed speaks volumes towards your target audience and your business ethics. You should be ashamed of yourself and should feel guilty for the role you have played in all the dishonest transactions these cards have been involved in on Ebay since you started your business, even if you weren't directly involved.

[Luke]

And I'm all for banning this guy, although I doubt that will stop him from trying to make a buck at other people's expenses.

[rarerookies]

These cards have been around long before I got into the hobby of selling reprints and they will be around long after I am gone. I bought these cards from people selling them on Ebay.

I still say its more of an uneducated buyer issue than a moral argument. If you are going to invest in something you better know about it before you invest. If not then these cards could possibly be used in fraudulent activity.

Education of buyers not demise of capitalism

Originally Posted by vintagecpa

Using the words meth and nazi's to justify your business? Unbelievable. The mere fact that whole reprint is evenly aged except for the copyright which is completely removed speaks volumes towards your target audience and your business ethics. You should be ashamed of yourself and should feel guilty for the role you have played in all the dishonest transactions these cards have been involved in on Ebay since you started your business, even if you weren't directly involved.

[sbfinley]

Originally Posted by rarerookies

I still believe an educated buyer wouldn't fall for a reprint but an uneducated buyer might. But these are the same people who respond to Nigerian Chain letters, buy lottery tickets and believe every too good to be true thing that pops up in there lives.

We were all new to this hobby and uneducated at some point. An influx of new people of all ages joining this hobby is the only thing that can sustain it's growth. Saying that it is fine if they get taken by a scam artist because they "should know better" is asinine. I could care less if you want to sell these fakes (in the right section), but your responses to the legitimate concerns of fellow hobbyist should be handled with a bit less crass.

[rarerookies]

My crass to the concerns of board members fell right in line of those responses I received after the initial post.

"This is a joke, right?"

"Some board members cringed (like myself) while others defended his right to sell his junk here ..."

"If you are going to sell this crap"

"Besides the fact that this is disgusting"

I was put in a position where I felt the need to defend my post. The Nazi and socialism references were maybe a bit extreme but I had to defend the right to express my civil liberties.

A few things you should know while living in a free democracy just in case you are new to it.
1. If its on TV: Turn the channel
2. If you don't like the laws: Go Vote
3. If you don't like the product: Don't Buy It


I'll end with a quote from one of my favorite political activists.

You measure a democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.
-Abbie Hoffman-

Originally Posted by sbfinley

We were all new to this hobby and uneducated at some point. An influx of new people of all ages joining this hobby is the only thing that can sustain it's growth. Saying that it is fine if they get taken by a scam artist because they "should know better" is asinine. I could care less if you want to sell these fakes (in the right section), but your responses to the legitimate concerns of fellow hobbyist should be handled with a bit less crass.

[rarerookies]

If I understand your screen name to represent what you do for a living I assume you are a CPA. Your profession over the last 10 years have been plagued by immoral acts that did far worse to the nation than a few reprint baseball cards. Hmm... ENRON!!

CPA's do tax write-offs here, have "business lunches" and list attic space as a home office.

It's hard to believe someone who's associates basically dove us into a recession by inflating companies net worth's, cooking books and destroying trust in financial institutions would have such a problem with a few reprints.

Hows your quarterly's looking?

Originally Posted by vintagecpa

Using the words meth and nazi's to justify your business? Unbelievable. The mere fact that whole reprint is evenly aged except for the copyright which is completely removed speaks volumes towards your target audience and your business ethics. You should be ashamed of yourself and should feel guilty for the role you have played in all the dishonest transactions these cards have been involved in on Ebay since you started your business, even if you weren't directly involved.

[bigtrain]

Prior to the unwarranted, idiotic attack on another member's legitimate and honorable profession, I was on the fence as to whether a ban or suspension as suggested by others would be appropriate. I was unreasonably optimistic that the poster could be shown the error of his ways. Obviously, that is not going to happen. The OP is morally bankrupt and has no clue as to the true meaning of the civil liberties he claims to embrace.

[Matthew H]

How much for the Ruth?

[vintagecpa]

LOL. I never thought my professional choice would get ripped on a baseball card forum. For the record, I am a CPA. I think it would be a stretch to blame the latest recession on CPA's (or Enron). I don't know a single CPA that sold a sub-prime mortgage. Yes, when I prepare peoples taxes, there is a certain amount of "writing off" that occurs. But there is this minor detail called the tax code that guides us as to what is legal and not legal. Most everything is in black and white. A very similar code exists with copyright laws. But I'm sure your not interested in hearing about those laws.

[rarerookies]

lol

Originally Posted by Matthew H

How much for the Ruth?

[Matthew H]

Originally Posted by rarerookies

I don't consider my stuff crap. How many people do you know that can make a card got from new to old in 3 days?

I consider your stuff crap. This garbage is a dime a dozen on eBay and Craigslist. Here, it is considered a joke. It doesn't take artistic talent to erase "reprint", dip a card and bake it. It just takes an unethical a**hole.

I agree, ban.

[Chris-Counts]

Politics, religion and fakes ... has there ever been a better case for banning someone?