Harry Wright Autograph

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Matt

I don't think it would hurt to ask the seller, but the seller sold a JSA authenticated autograph and the buyer received a JSA authenticated autograph. I don't think the seller is accountable if the auto is a fake.

So you think that the seller should profit from selling a questioned autograph, even if he did not know it?
If I am an employer and one of my employees makes a mistake in my business and it costs a customer, who is responsible? The employee or me?

[old13man]

I have contacted the seller and am waiting for a reply. Does anyone know if JSA frequents these boards? I would love to hear them weigh in on this issue.

[barrysloate]

They might prefer not to post on this board, and deal with the matter privately.

[old13man]

Prewar sports is 100% correct...this is not a forged item. It is an authentic item just mislabeled by an authentication company. It is a great piece just not what I set out to buy. The seller has agreed to issue a refund and has been a class-act about the whole situation.

CJ

[Matt]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

So you think that the seller should profit from selling a questioned autograph, even if he did not know it?

Let's be linguistically careful - I am not discussing "should." We can all agree that no one should be profiting from forged autographs. In this particular circumstance, I don't think the seller is at fault for selling the bad autograph. Recognizing he wasn't an expert, he had it authenticated and then sold it; the buyer received a JSA authenticated autograph as advertised.

If I am an employer and one of my employees makes a mistake in my business and it costs a customer, who is responsible? The employee or me?

You are. Of course, that's not analogous to this case as JSA does not work for the company owned by the seller. If they were all part of the same company the responsibility is at the top; however, here the seller did not make any mistakes - the mistake was purely on JSA; as such, I don't believe the seller should be held responsible. Would you feel differently if it wasn't the seller who submitted it to JSA, but rather, the seller bought it already authenticated?

[RichardSimon]

My feelings would always be the same.
The seller should be responsible.

[danc]

But wouldn't this hobby be in better shape if the authenticator was held responsible?

There wouldn't be these "pass anything authenticators", and the better authenticators would have to take their time and not make so many mistakes.

You should ask the seller and see what happens. Then go to Spence and see what happens and report your findings here.

Good luck!

DanC

[RichardSimon]

But do you really think the pass anything authenticators would ever give a refund to anyone??? And if the other authenticators did give refunds that would not change the policy for the pass anything guys.
In my opinion no way would those guys give refunds.
But wait, I should not pass judgment quickly, why don't the pass anything authenticators come on here and add a post to this thread and let us know what they would do .
And furthermore, as many of us know, many of the top dealers in the country, such as yourself DanC, do not use any third party authenticators. The knowledge of the top dealers in the country is more than sufficient to give their clients the confidence in their material.

[prewarsports]

The word "forgery" should not be used even remotely with this item. It is an authentic 1891 telegram from Harry Wright to his field captain regarding Ed Delahanty. It is worth $1000 on its own merits and is no way illegitimate or shady in ANY way. It is similar to finding out an authentic 1891 Phillies letter on team letterhead had a secretarial Wright signature or something along those lines.

Please do not refer to items like this as something it is not. Nothing about this item is forged it is a legitimate valuable sports antique which is simply misidentified by an authenticator.

[ramram]

From my Harry Wright scorebook (I don't have a full signature in it).

Rob M.

h wright.jpg

[RichardSimon]

The seller, in my opinion, is certainly doing the right thing and I commend his actions in this matter.