Mr October....Cliff Lee 7-2 post season, 2.13 ERA....80 K's

[M's_Fan]

I agree with you Ted, if Washington would have just let Cliff finish that inning, I think Texas would have had a good shot at winning the game. He seemed to have trouble locating his curveball, and he lost confidence in it, but he wouldn't have given up that 3 run homer to Uribe, which broke the game wide open. It was a very premature decision by Ron W. Sure, a veteran shouldn't get rattled, but Lee is human after all.

[David R]

That Lee got rattled because he saw someone warming up is ridiculous as is blaming the fact that the bullpen is visible.

[tedzan]

I think you and I here are the Lone Rangers (clever pun)

We are surrounded on all sides by San Fran Giants fans.

Anyhow, in a 2 days it will be Halloween....and, the ghosts
of New York and Horace Stoneham still haunt the Giants.

Will they finally shake-off the 56 year old New York jinx ?


TED Z

[Rickyy]

Lee didn't really have his good stuff to me..his breaking stuff was floating up there...and he couldn't really spot his fastball and cutter the way he wanted...the Giants were right on his pitches even when Lee had them shut down early... Uribe really worked him before Lee struck him out..but I think that also took a lot out of him... Sanchez raked him... Ross also hit a ball hard right back up the middle.. the Giants are never a patient team and I think that worked to their advantage this time..they knew Lee throws strikes so they were aggresive early in the counts..

[FrankWakefield]

Hey Ted... what are the Halloween colors???


I'm for the Giants, I like their old tradition, and I have a bit of a National League bias.

I've mentioned it here before, but I'm reminded of going to a Cubs - Cards game in the mid-80s, Cubs won in 11 innnings, I think it was 12-11. Sandburg had a great multiple HR game, McGee had a good game, it was a Saturday game of the week... Anyway, I had a 'standing room only' ticket, and stood for several innings beside a man who'd have been in his late 60s, he was quietly and calmly explaining details of the game to a grandson of about age 12. We struck up a conversation that lasted several innings, with silence scattered throughout. Eventually, I asked him what his favorite team was. He didn't look at me as he responded, he just gazed out across the field as he said, "The Giants, the New York Giants." The man had not yet forgiven the move to the west coast. I hope he's watching this series.

[tedzan]

Very good observation regarding your color comparison (Halloween -- Giants).

I grew up with guys like the man you met at that Cubs - Cards game. When the New York Giants left the Polo Grounds in
1957, these guys were devastated. Three years prior to that move, the Giants beat the mighty Cleveland Indians 4-0 in
the World Series.
People always talk about hating Walter O'Malley for the Dodgers leaving Ebbets field (actually Robert Moses, the NY poli-
tician, was more to blame). Anyhow, Horace Stoneham was just as hated as O'Malley. It was a "double whammy" for New
Yorkers in 1957. It was the year I graduated High School. Most of my classmates were Dodger or Giants fans. While "talkin
baseball" at our recent 50th H.S. reunion with my classmates, I will tell you that many of these guys still hold grudges 50
years later.



TED Z

[Peter_Spaeth]

So much for Mr. October.

[thekingofclout]

Originally Posted by david r

that lee got rattled because he saw someone warming up is ridiculous as is blaming the fact that the bullpen is visible.

x 2

[barrysloate]

Frank- I remember that game well. I believe Sandberg hit the tying home run in the bottom of the 9th, then the winning home run in the bottom of the 11th. It was a classic game.