Mr October....Cliff Lee 7-2 post season, 2.13 ERA....80 K's

[barrysloate]

Ted makes a good point in that isn't it distracting to a starting pitcher if he sees a reliever coming in to warm up? Wouldn't that put undue pressure on him if he thinks he's pretty close to being yanked?

[Anthony S.]

I think if Cliff Lee is mentally tough enough to accomplish the amazing feats he has in hostile environments over the past couple years, simply seeing a teammate warming up isn't going to send him into a tailspin.

[dstudeba]

So Cliff Lee can go from a dominant postseason pitcher to hitable because some gets up in the bullpen? Sorry I believe his mental ability is stronger than that.

Petco park was built recently and has no bullpen....for the visiting team.

[barrysloate]

I agree Cliff Lee didn't have his A stuff last night and was hit pretty hard. And a veteran pitcher shouldn't get easily rattled. But some pitchers, say those with less experience, might. Most relievers warm up out of sight of the starter, and I always assumed this was done intentionally. If a starter is struggling a bit and believes he has what it will take to stay in a game, the last thing he wants to see is the bullpen getting up.

[M's_Fan]

I agree with you Ted, if Washington would have just let Cliff finish that inning, I think Texas would have had a good shot at winning the game. He seemed to have trouble locating his curveball, and he lost confidence in it, but he wouldn't have given up that 3 run homer to Uribe, which broke the game wide open. It was a very premature decision by Ron W. Sure, a veteran shouldn't get rattled, but Lee is human after all.

[David R]

That Lee got rattled because he saw someone warming up is ridiculous as is blaming the fact that the bullpen is visible.

[tedzan]

I think you and I here are the Lone Rangers (clever pun)

We are surrounded on all sides by San Fran Giants fans.

Anyhow, in a 2 days it will be Halloween....and, the ghosts
of New York and Horace Stoneham still haunt the Giants.

Will they finally shake-off the 56 year old New York jinx ?


TED Z

[Rickyy]

Lee didn't really have his good stuff to me..his breaking stuff was floating up there...and he couldn't really spot his fastball and cutter the way he wanted...the Giants were right on his pitches even when Lee had them shut down early... Uribe really worked him before Lee struck him out..but I think that also took a lot out of him... Sanchez raked him... Ross also hit a ball hard right back up the middle.. the Giants are never a patient team and I think that worked to their advantage this time..they knew Lee throws strikes so they were aggresive early in the counts..

[thekingofclout]

Originally Posted by david r

that lee got rattled because he saw someone warming up is ridiculous as is blaming the fact that the bullpen is visible.

x 2

[barrysloate]

Frank- I remember that game well. I believe Sandberg hit the tying home run in the bottom of the 9th, then the winning home run in the bottom of the 11th. It was a classic game.

[Robextend]

I think visible or not, Cliff Lee is sharp enough to realize there is probably going to be action in the bullpen given the fact he had thrown a ton of pitches, was getting hit pretty hard, and that the game was getting away from them.

[Dan Carson]

Cliff Lee got his butt kicked, plain and simple!!

GO GIANTS!