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Old 10-14-2010, 03:51 AM
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Default Buck Herzog

Had a fistfight with Ty Cobb.



Herzog Fights Cobb

Ty Weighed Almost 50 Pounds More, But Buck HAD to Fight
Buck was foolish, but he was also courageous. His face was cut and he lost two teeth, but it was something that he had to do, regardless of the cost.
In an exhibition game between the Giants and Tigers during the spring of 1917, a tremendous brawl, set off by Ty Cobb, occurred. With two outs in the second inning, Cobb singled, bringing up Bobby Veach. Ty took off for second but the throw beat him by a wide margin. Buck Herzog was waiting to tag out Cobb when the greatest player of his time or, according to many, of all time, slid into Herzog with his spikes high. The Giants’ second baseman was cut on his leg and immediately went after Cobb. In an instant, the field was filled with players attempting to maim each other. The police were needed to restore order.

Most Players Hated Their Opponents
The Giants and Tigers didn’t like each other, but in those days, most players didn’t like most of their opponents. The fact that this was an exhibition game didn’t matter. The objective was to win, whether the game counted in the standing or not, because each team knew that the game counted for them. When Cobb went out to right field after the melee, Giants’ manager John McGraw demanded that Cobb be thrown out of the game, and he was. There were altercations and bench jockeying throughout the game.

Herzog Told Cobb He'd Meet Him in His Room
The Giants and Tigers stayed at the Oriental Hotel in Dallas. That evening, Herzog went over to Cobb in the dining room and told him that he would be going to his room later to settle their differences. Immediately after dinner, Ty and Tigers’ trainer Harry Tuthill went to Cobb’s room to wait for Buck, who soon appeared with Heinie Zimmerman. Cobb outweighed Buck by about 50 pounds easily disposed of him. Buck was foolish, but he was also courageous. His face was cut and he lost two teeth, but it was something that he had to do, regardless of the cost. Finally, Tuthill and Zimmerman stopped the fight.

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Old 10-17-2010, 09:00 PM
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Default Prof. Bob Manning

just saw your post, ole Davidson buddy.
you may be on to something with your correlation except Roy embodied the natural in his personhood and talent while Thomas opposed the natural
with fervor via a 'liking' for government policing.

all the best,
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Honus Wagner became Sheriff of Allegheny County in 1942 and ran a sporting goods store which still bears his name.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10277/1091233-491.stm

Turkey Mike Donlin left baseball for a brief time to perform on the Vaudeville circuit with his wife.

Fred Merkle worked as a scout after his career and discovered Jim "Mudcat" Grant.

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I just picked up a T206 of Otis "Doc" Crandall, and after doing a little research, I discovered that not only was he baseball's first official "closer," but he was also the greatest hitting pitcher of all-time, minus Babe Ruth, of course. I realize the last statement might seem a bit over-the-top, but you can look it up. Wes Ferrell is credited as often as anyone with being the best hitting pitcher, but he batted .280 playing in the Live Ball era, while Crandall hit .285 playing exclusively in the Dead Ball Era. In 1910, we won 17 games and batted .342 in a limited number of at-bats, while Sherry Magee took home the batting crown with a .331 mark. Also, if you throw in his minor league record, Crandall won over 300 games ...
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