Mantle/GAI/Burczyk/Forgeries/TT2

FUBAR · #1 10-11-2010, 05:39 PM

Hi Tom

You may recognize me as one of your followers as well. I have also seen, just recently, that some idiot in a too small t-shirt, is calling you out because he may or may not own more autos then you. He fully supports Roach's corner and scoreboard, which tells me enough about his character. He may have a lot of money to buy nice things, but that doesn't make you educated, just rich!

I also seen another fool who claims PSA and JSA don't know anything about auto's. Just do not understand these guys.

Keep up the good work and hopefully people will soon start to realize how bad the collecting world is in terms of forgeries and who you can and cannot trust.

sports-rings · #2 10-11-2010, 06:39 PM

Tom,

I appreciate all your work and for having the guts to "put it on the line" and do something. I wish others in our hobby would follow your lead.

Please keep up the great work and don't let anyone intimidate you or get you down!

3and2 · #3 10-11-2010, 07:03 PM

Tom, keep up the good work. You're our Eliot Ness patrolling our hobby. Much appreciated!

thetruthisoutthere · #4 10-11-2010, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 3and2

Tom, keep up the good work. You're our Eliot Ness patrolling our hobby. Much appreciated!

I like that!!! Thank you. Although I have to admit Robert Stack was my favorite Eliot Ness as opposed to the real one. Just kidding. Also, thank you. Fubar (one of my first viewers along with Sports-Rings) and Sports-Rings. Remember, the videos aren't about me, they are about exposing the garbage that is ruining and diluting the hobby, and how do we reach those that have no idea what they are buying. There's this misconception that just because an autograph is on Ebay that it must be authentic, and we all know that nothing could be further from the truth. Ebay does not go out its way to remove forgeries; there is too much money to be made from forgeries. I wonder how many people are aware that there is a "banned list" of COAs on the Ebay website? Ebay does not go out of its way to show that list. I won't go on my usual rant but you get the message.

thetruthisoutthere · #5 10-11-2010, 07:38 PM

Coach's Corner Sports Auctions, LLC....Donald Frangipani.....Forensic Document Services....Hollywood Dreams.....J. DiMaggio Co/J. DiMaggio Company....Legends Sports Memorabilia...Nathan's Autographs/N.E. Autographs.....Pro Sports/Pro Sports Memorabilia....Robert Prouty.....R.R.'s Sports Cards & Collectibles....SCAA/Front Page Art/Angelo Marino.....Slamdunk Sportscards & Memorabilia....Sports Alley Memorabilia.....Sports Management Group.....Stan's Sports/Stans Sports Memorabilia.....STAT Authentic/Stevens Taylor Authentication Team......Universal Memorabilia.....XMI Authentications.....USA Authentics.....Blank COAs and LOAs.....COAs and LOAs as stand-alone items....COAs and LOAs from anyone listed on the FBI's Operation Bullpen Website...

I also want to add that Ebay doesn't always abide by its own regulations as I have seen numerous auctions with COAs from Stat Authentic and Forensic Document Services run to duration.

brickyardkennedy · #6 10-11-2010, 07:40 PM

Just another "thumbs-up", for your great and too often thankless, work, Tom!

thetruthisoutthere · #7 10-11-2010, 07:42 PM

One correction on that banned list from above. It should read "Blank COAs" not "Black." Typo on my part. I already edited the above "Banned List." Excuse this comment.

FUBAR · #8 10-12-2010, 02:28 AM

Tom, i must admit , it was Fuddjcal who got me to go view your videos! sometimes i do look at some of the sigs and wonder wtf you are talking about because i dont know the sigs well enough....!

luckily i have only bought autos from members here and they are well respected guys and they all look good when i compared them to JSA.

Fuddjcal · #9 10-23-2010, 12:39 PM

what really funny is the prices these poor unsuspecting sellers (???) are asking. This one is asking 899.00 for a terrible 8 x10 forgery. It just goes from bad to worse everyday on the dock of the E-bay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=200534660106

RichardSimon · #10 10-23-2010, 01:08 PM

Fuddj - these autograph sellers, they are not autograph dealers, buy these autographs on non ebay auction sites, along with their very cheap jewelry, perfume, t-shirts, watches and other items that they think they can make a profit on. The ads on these sites say Mantle autograph photo, authenticated by bird-sick or whoever the authenticator flavor of the day is, comparable value $499.99. All the items on these sites are advertised this way. They buy the autograph for $19-$29 or so, thinking they can get a bargain and make a profit. Too bad for them. They then learn the hard way. The really upsetting thing is that I know of at least two disabled veterans who have been duped this way.

Exhibitman · #11 10-24-2010, 03:36 PM

Nice work.

Of course, anyone buying a Babe Ruth autographed ball for $300 is an idiot of the purest, most gullible sort.

I've been burned a few times, fortunately not on anything expensive (the worst was a George Harrison cut about 20 years ago). I will not buy a significant autograph absent either a 100% legit source (like The Topps Valut--I figure their contracts were signed by the athletes in question), a certified card product like Topps Co-Signers, or a JSA or PSA/DNA certed item. I completely agree that the vast majority of the materials on Ebay are forgeries. I spent the better part of a decade looking for a legit Sean Connery autograph (finally landed a PSA/DNA certed 1960s vintage signed PC) and run searches on Ebay every so often just for a laugh at all the trash out there purportedly signed by Connery.

Fuddjcal · #12 11-10-2010, 11:20 AM

I posted this on another site and I thought it would be nice to post this here as well to see if anybody has anything to add to the story...

Here's the best of the best of the fish stories from an E-bayer that he sent me to "set the record straight". I have been very vocal in this fight on blogs and to e-bay security, trying to remove all this from E-bay and I can tell you, it ain't going to happen. New collectors are going to find out the hard way. Here's the story as it was told to me

He states that he "has a letter from Mantle and his attorney, Roy True and that Mantle himself concurred with burczyks findings. I know this because I have the letter, I sat with Mantle, I watched him sign over 200,000 items, that's right 200,000. I do love your passion and I would never say that you are being vindictive. I realize that you feel strongly about your views, but I have verifiable court documents to prove what I'm telling you. so even if you disagree with the findings of Burczyk, remember Mantle did not and it was I who fought scoreboard and it was I who beat them, and it was I who sat with Mantle at over 200 signings over my 31 plus years in this buisness. oh yes it was I who produced all the product for home shopping, qvc, j.c. penney's etc.,etc., etc.. so please forgive me if i disagree with you. but i do respect your opinion. by the way Mantle loved Burczyk when he met him. respectfully yours, tony p."
In the back of my mind, I do remember something to this effect coming to light in the late 80's, early 90's about Dimaggio having to go to court in a forgery case and he couldn't pick his signature out from the fakes. Then there is this Greer Johnson chick who actually helped Mantle books shows and make what the man had coming to him. I think there was a case of some sort, where she was accused of forging or having some Mantle stuff forged? Could this be the stuff? Maybe Mantle said they were his to protect Skank Johnson? Anyway, does anyone think that Tony P. is Tony Podsada of My Favorite Players? Most of their stuff, was authetic, though most of the Mantle's have always been suspect.

Do any of you long time collectors know this story, know Tony P?

Personally, I still don't like everyone of those Birdsick items. I wonder if Dimaggio liked Birdsick, What about Ted? Did Birdsick and Ted hunt & fish together?

There is also some talk about the photos all being copies of prints anyway, then pasted with the STAT. GAI and Birdsick cert. That make sense, because if the signature was a photo copy, it would'nt fade. Have you ever seen a faded Birdsick piece, I haven't. I left one out in the sun for 6 months and the signature didn't fade.

Personally, I think Tony P. is an honest guy. The one thing that I noticed by his e-bay buying habits is that he obviously know the real Mantle from the fakes. He is not buying Birdsicks and Stats and GAi Mantles. he is spending quite a bit of $$$ on the real thing .

Fuddjcal · #13 11-10-2010, 11:26 AM

http://cgi.ebay.com/MICKEY-MANTLE-SI...item2eb1390eee

Here's a copy of the Contract that Mantle signed with Scoreboard. The photo copy this seller has looks like a Genuine Mantle signature while the item he is selling does not appear authentic. Let's call it what it is,

Actually fake as hell.

Is this the contract that people are talking about? A copy of this contract is common among fake Mantle ball sellers with STAT Authentication, now it's showing up on pictures?

tinkereversandme · #14 11-10-2010, 01:29 PM

Let me get this correct...before six months ago, nobody had ever heard of Burcyk and now the hobby is flooded with these photos and these photos appear everywhere and the prices that they get is little. Was there a stash somewhere?

Many of these photos come with both Scoreboard cert and a Burcyk cert and I had purchased from QVC and I never got a Burcyk cert with anything I bought.

I think something is very off here and if someone put their detective hat on, could actually find out the truths, essentially by contacting Mantle's old agent, the man who ran Scoreboard (was it Ken Golden?) and of course the location of Burcyk himself. He is alive, right? Where is he?

Larry

thetruthisoutthere · #15 11-10-2010, 10:00 PM

Interesting that you mentioned purchasing from QVC; don't forget those Home Shopping Channels got duped into purchasing approximately $750,000 in forgeries that was eventually sold to consumers. I still see a ton of those "500 Homerun Club" forgeries that are still all over Ebay and a ton of Mantle forgeries.