Do you think the National should be expanded to twice a year ?

[tedzan]

Regarding this recurring comment by several posters here....."that some dealers would pick and choose only one National, rather than
doing both shows".

Then, I ask you to recall how many shows were skipped by quality vintage card dealers like....Kevin Savage, Terry Knouse, Irv Lerner,
Roger Neufeldt, Levi Bleam & Co., Steve Verkman, Brian Dec, Wayne Varner & Bill Zimpleman, Bill Huggins, Bill McAvoy, etc., etc.....all
those years at the Philly show (prior to Hunt), and other major Boston, Chicago, California, and NY area Shows that were held 2, or 3,
or 4 times a year in which these dealers were set-up ? ?

I would bet, if you seriously think about this question and answer it honestly, it will prove that this concern of yours is irrelevant.


TED Z

[E93]

Ted,
My concern would not be that major dealers would not show up, but that my non-dealer collector friends would be divided, which over time would lessen the draw of either one. One of the big draws for me is that the National is the one show that many friends try to make it to every year. Many, myself included, might have less of a draw if it were not the one big event every year that so many people try to attend.
JimB

[barrysloate]

Ted and I discussed his last post earlier today, and my feeling was all the dealers he cited traveled east to do four shows a year because it was profitable for them to do so. Whether it would make sense for any dealers to set up for two nationals a year today would depend on economics. Again, it's a different climate and a difficult time for businesses to be expanding. It may even be time for the Philadelphia show to cut back to two or three times a year instead of the current four.

[chaddurbin]

i voted for 2 just in case they'd consider having the west coast on the rotation again...self-serving i guess as that's the only chance i get to meet up with jimb again as he's big-leagued me since stumbling on this board and finding cooler friends...

[Doug]

I'd just like them to have one in Cincinnati so I hopefully I could get a chance to go.

[tedzan]

As usual you selectively pick & choose to ignore anything I (or others) post. Here are my comments regarding GROWTH trends in the hobby
that I posted back in Post #12.

And, do NOT say you didn't read this.....because you quoted my last sentence in this post in your attempt to be a wise-ass (in post #13).

My comments in post #12......

""History, during the GROWTH years (1970's to 1990's), of major BB card shows totally contradicts such an absurdity.

For example. the Philly Show started as an annual event in Willow Grove, PA in 1975. Then it was expanded to a March and September show.
Bob Schmierer expanded it to 3 times a year in 1988. And, when it moved to a larger facility (Ft. Washington) in 1993, it was expanded to 4
shows a year. Each of these expansions increased the attendance and improved the quality of this show. The same can be said for several
other shows across the country in that time period.

However, for various and sundry factors, we are no longer in a GROWTH trend in this hobby. Having the National twice a year may introduce
some new excitement into the hobby, and reverse this trend."


Rob....stop being such a freakin' contrarian.....just grow up, will you.


TED Z

[Rob D.]

Originally Posted by tedzan

As usual you selectively pick & choose to ignore anything I (or others) post. Here are my comments regarding GROWTH trends in the hobby
that I posted back in Post #12.

And, do NOT say you didn't read this.....because you quoted my last sentence in this post in your attempt to be a wise-ass (in post #13).

My comments in post #12......

""History, during the GROWTH years (1970's to 1990's), of major BB card shows totally contradicts such an absurdity.

For example. the Philly Show started as an annual event in Willow Grove, PA in 1975. Then it was expanded to a March and September show.
Bob Schmierer expanded it to 3 times a year in 1988. And, when it moved to a larger facility (Ft. Washington) in 1993, it was expanded to 4
shows a year. Each of these expansions increased the attendance and improved the quality of this show. The same can be said for several
other shows across the country in that time period.

However, for various and sundry factors, we are no longer in a GROWTH trend in this hobby. Having the National twice a year may introduce
some new excitement into the hobby, and reverse this trend."


Rob....stop being such a freakin' contrarian.....just grow up, will you.


TED Z

Ted,

I'm not picking and choosing what you say. The simple fact is you're basing your opinions (namely, expanding the National) on a time when the hobby was in a much healthier state. You can cite all you want about how shows grew and expanded when the hobby was in its heyday. But the hobby, and the economy, is not experiencing that heyday right now. But, as I said (and has been proved time and time and time again), you choose to ignore facts that don't support your stances, whether it be the National, uncut sheets, T206 proof strips, etc., etc., etc.

Also, thank you for reminding us about Ted's No. 1 rule: Disagree with Ted and you're either:

1. A wise ass

2. A contrarian

3. A derailer of his threads

4. Someone who "gangs up" on him

5. All of the above.

Ted, I understand that you don't like it when people disagree with you, so let me offer you a pacifier:

I think it would be a great idea to have two Nationals a year.

There. Happy?

[HRBAKER]

Rob that was very counter-contrarian of you. I would agree that I don't think that it is an overall lack of quality shows that is keeping the hobby from expanding. I think it is a combination of overexpansion in the "heyday," genuine lack of interest for the most part in the younger set (natural), the like-it-or-not perception that it is a hobby rife with chicanery and charlatans, and the economy. I really don't see a 2nd National as being a panacea for any of that. On the other hand it would be fun to go to two every year.

[E93]

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

i voted for 2 just in case they'd consider having the west coast on the rotation again...self-serving i guess as that's the only chance i get to meet up with jimb again as he's big-leagued me since stumbling on this board and finding cooler friends...

I am up for coffee and cards again any time when I am in your neck of the woods.
JimB

[Leon]

Originally Posted by E93

I am up for coffee and cards again any time when I am in your neck of the woods.
JimB

I feel a group hug coming on....duck, quick

[E93]

Originally Posted by Leon

I feel a group hug coming on....duck, quick

Come on Leon, join in. The more, the merrier.
After all those Dead shows, I think I am a hippie at heart.
JimB

[chaddurbin]

Originally Posted by E93

I am up for coffee and cards again any time when I am in your neck of the woods.
JimB

hehe just playing around jim...our schedules got crossed up a couple times we couldn't meet. we'll see each other again sometimes down the line, no biggie.

-Q

[Rob D.]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Regarding this recurring comment by several posters here....."that some dealers would pick and choose only one National, rather than
doing both shows".

Then, I ask you to recall how many shows were skipped by quality vintage card dealers like....Kevin Savage, Terry Knouse, Irv Lerner,
Roger Neufeldt, Levi Bleam & Co., Steve Verkman, Brian Dec, Wayne Varner & Bill Zimpleman, Bill Huggins, Bill McAvoy, etc., etc.....all
those years at the Philly show (prior to Hunt), and other major Boston, Chicago, California, and NY area Shows that were held 2, or 3,
or 4 times a year in which these dealers were set-up ? ?

I would bet, if you seriously think about this question and answer it honestly, it will prove that this concern of yours is irrelevant.


TED Z

Ted,

I know your preference is to gloss over and ignore pieces of information that contradict your theories, but the landscape of the hobby was different then than it is now.

Then = The hobby was experiencing GROWTH

Now = Not as much GROWTH

Hope this helps.