Novelty Cutlery Postcard Dating - 1910?

[deadballpaul]

Perhaps the Elmer Flick card that is listed in the Novelty Cutlery set, & not in the PC796 set would offer more clues. Both sets were most likely produced by Vignos & Hurford Photography, Canton, OH.

[Bicem]

Originally Posted by deadballpaul

Perhaps the Elmer Flick card that is listed in the Novelty Cutlery set, & not in the PC796 set would offer more clues. Both sets were most likely produced by Vignos & Hurford Photography, Canton, OH.

Has anyone actually seen the Flick card and can confirm that it exists?

[deadballpaul]

Here's more info on the companies. Also, I have not seen the Flick, but I have found some of the other cards only once, so they can be hard to find.

http://www.justus.ca/versailles/Ohio...rford-Misc.pdf

[Baseball Rarities]

Originally Posted by deadballpaul

Perhaps the Elmer Flick card that is listed in the Novelty Cutlery set, & not in the PC796 set would offer more clues. Both sets were most likely produced by Vignos & Hurford Photography, Canton, OH.

Paul,

From my research, Flick does not exist.

I think that Flick was probably was confused with Frock.

Frock is actually the player whom I feel dates the set to 1910. He hardly played in 1909. He was not in the Majors in 1908 and only pitched in 36 innings in 1909. 1910 was a breakout year for him, starting 29 games and tallying 257 innings. There is no reason why he would have been included in such a small set in 1909.

[deadballpaul]

Kevin, I wouldn't rule out Flick. Some of the cards are very tough to find from my experience. Novelty Cutlery was in Canton, OH. Flick played for nearby Cleveland, so maybe.....

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Originally Posted by deadballpaul

Kevin, I wouldn't rule out Flick. Some of the cards are very tough to find from my experience. Novelty Cutlery was in Canton, OH. Flick played for nearby Cleveland, so maybe.....

Paul,

I really do not think that Flick exists. He has never been checklisted in the PC796 set, which has the exact same players and poses as the Novelty Cutlery set.

In the 1979 Sports Collectors Bible, a person by the name of "Flock" is listed, but no "Frock" or "Flick." Obviously, "Flock" was just a typo for "Frock" (which does exist) and somewhere down the line it was probably assumed to have been a typo for "Flick" (does not exist) which was then erroneously added to the list.

The 1982 verson of the "Beckett" Baseball Memorabilia and Price Guide does not include Flick in its checklist, which is the same that is used for the PC796 set. This guide also refers to both sets as being from 1910, which is what I believe also.

It looks as though the incorrect date of 1907 and the inclusion of "Flock/Flick" originates the Sports Collectors Bible. I have to assume that whenever Krause's Standard Catlog decided to include the Novelty Cutlery issue in their price guide, they decided to copy this info from the Sports Collectors Bible instead of Beckett which had it dated and checklisted correctly.