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Old 09-24-2010, 05:36 PM
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Hey, I know: let's start a trade organization to boost the image of the hobby in the public eye. We can orchestrate a fast response public relations effort to handle articles like this. I figure if we get 20 prominent dealers and investors to pony up $10,000 each...
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Adam, the price of joining would probably be shilled up.
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Hey, I know: let's start a trade organization to boost the image of the hobby in the public eye. We can orchestrate a fast response public relations effort to handle articles like this. I figure if we get 20 prominent dealers and investors to pony up $10,000 each...

Your organization is more expensive than the one they were trying to set up at the National.
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franchise fees are costly.....
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There were so many clamoring for admission that they had to raise the price to keep membership within reason.
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Your organization is more expensive than the one they were trying to set up at the National.
Hey, it costs money to build a smooth flack operation. Just the cost of background checks on possible board members for criminal records and civil lawsuits is like a grand a pop, but who'd be stupid enough to try and set up an operation to boost the integrity of the hobby fronted by guys who have to alert their parole officers when they come to meetings? That'd be like putting Tony Soprano on the board for the Policeman's Ball. It would be a laughingstock and DOA.
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Wesley,

Adam's organization will offer lifetime, free parking at all, online meetings.


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If you need someone to "hold" the money, I'm your guy.
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Adam, good idea. You'll also need some fancy stationary on which are written vague threats to unnamed persons who dare to besmirch our great hobby. Because as you can see, vague threats really serve to shut up those pesky critics.
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Adam, good idea. You'll also need some fancy stationary on which are written vague threats to unnamed persons who dare to besmirch our great hobby. Because as you can see, vague threats really serve to shut up those pesky critics.
It's those cranky people on chatboards that are the real problem. That is what those "hobby do-good" organizations are going to expose . Or do I have that backwards.....well, anyway, those organizations are going to include, ....I mean root out.....the bad guys!!
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I do a lot of fraud cases. By virtue of the area in which I practice, I have a fraud count in at least half my cases. You always plead the who, what, when, where and why as specifically as possible to avoid motions to dismiss. That's just the way it is.

If my goal was to remain a low profile collector, I probably wouldn't be happy either. Unfortunately, when you become involved in an alleged fraudulent scheme, wittingly or unwittingly, that goal ends up being subordinate to the more important goal of facilitating the truth-finding process. And, as Jeff mentioned earlier, pleadings are open to the media unless there is a pretty compelling reason to seal them. The pleadings aren't evidence, they're just allegations. Either a judge or a jury will sort them out later.

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Ah, the mindset of a rapacious plaintiff's lawyer (redundant, I know). EDIT TO ADD As I said above, I understand why names were named, but I think a pleading could have been fashioned that would have survived dismissal without doing so.
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Hell, its you damn defense lawyers that are always trying to either hide or excuse their client's fraud. We're just trying to expose what y'all are hired to confuse, conceal, or otherwise try to justify.

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Peter, I agree. While I too understand that fraud must be pled with particularity, I have a hard time seeing dismissal of a count that identifies the sale of a T210 Joe Jackson at a certain date and price to a "prominent collector". Can't see the Defendant (or counter-defendant here) arguing to the judge with a straight face that he doesn't know what transaction is at issue.
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Todd,

You go ahead and take that risk. I think I'll plead everything I think I know so that if I draw a judge who thinks the "who" is important, I've given him the information. I'm sort of a better safe than sorry guy.

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