Mastro Auctions Mastro's Stuff?

[Leon]

I am certainly not advocating my view onto others, only giving my opinion. I didn't say it was a good defense either, of course it isn't. I didn't say it was anything except my opinion. I understand it's not a popular one either. That's ok. At least you know where I stand on it, right or wrong. It's the way I feel about it. Hopefully, I am at least entitled to my opinion? regards

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Leon

I am certainly not advocating my view onto others, only giving my opinion. I didn't say it was a good defense either, of course it isn't. I didn't say it was anything except my opinion. I understand it's not a popular one either. That's ok. At least you know where I stand on it, right or wrong. It's the way I feel about it. Hopefully, I am at least entitled to my opinion? regards

Well of course you are entitled, I think it's just hard to understand why (hypothetically of course) being the target of a broader crime would be more palatable than being the target of a more focused one?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Well of course you are entitled, I think it's just hard to understand why (hypothetically of course) being the target of a broader crime would be more palatable than being the target of a more focused one?

You said it in your question, Peter. I can seperate the fact that someone did something wrong to lots of people (hypothetically) and I was one of them OR the fact I was targeted? Yeah, to me I can distinguish between them. I am not saying anyone else should, but I do. regards

ps....and after some more thought on the whole subject I do reserve the right to change my mind at any time in the future I could see me being pissed about being ripped off (hypothetically of course)..

[Peter_Spaeth]

It's an interesting question, but I guess I'm with Yossarian on this one.

[oldjudge]

I would like to echo Bruce's comments. I have known Bill for a long time and found him to be a fun guy and a caring person. He has always been one of my favorite people in the hobby and I only wish him and his lovely family well.

[e107collector]

Does anyone know if there are any vintage cards in Bill's collection? If so, what can one expect?

Or did he mainly focus on memorabilia?

Thanks,
Tony

[batsballsbases]

I to have know Bill for many years and I to like Leon reserve the right to let the justice system try and finish what they started. If you ask me do I believe something was going on absolutely! But do I also believe that many of the other auction houses are just as guilty of this pratice absolutely! It is very hard to know if you were ever "pushed up" in price without someone from the inside with that personal knowledge coming forward. For now as we know the bottom line is that MOST of the great items that we all want will be coming from some auction house. Private finds are very few in this day and age of the computer. Having just won 10 lots in the Legendary auction ,my feeling was that I paid a fair price for what I wanted. Bottom line for me is I set a personal limit for what the item is worth with the buyers premium and that it. If the item goes beyond that well good luck to the new owner. I had beat this subject to death over the years and it drove me crazy! Now I collect what I need and want with a price limit,this way I dont have to put the gun to my head every time I won an item and ask myself "WAS I JUST SHILLED"

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by batsballsbases

I to have know Bill for many years and I to like Leon reserve the right to let the justice system try and finish what they started. If you ask me do I believe something was going on absolutely! But do I also believe that many of the other auction houses are just as guilty of this pratice absolutely! It is very hard to know if you were ever "pushed up" in price without someone from the inside with that personal knowledge coming forward. For now as we know the bottom line is that MOST of the great items that we all want will be coming from some auction house. Private finds are very few in this day and age of the computer. Having just won 10 lots in the Legendary auction ,my feeling was that I paid a fair price for what I wanted. Bottom line for me is I set a personal limit for what the item is worth with the buyers premium and that it. If the item goes beyond that well good luck to the new owner. I had beat this subject to death over the years and it drove me crazy! Now I collect what I need and want with a price limit,this way I dont have to put the gun to my head every time I won an item and ask myself "WAS I JUST SHILLED"

So now you just assume that you are but no more than you are willing to be?

[batsballsbases]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

So now you just assume that you are but no more than you are willing to be?

Jeff,
That is correct!

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Well of course you are entitled, I think it's just hard to understand why (hypothetically of course) being the target of a broader crime would be more palatable than being the target of a more focused one?

I had my home loan through Countrywide and some knucklehead stole all of Countrywide's customers social security numbers...I was mad at Countrywide for this happening, but I'd be a lot madder if the knucklehead had only targeted me because then it would be personal.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

I had my home loan through Countrywide and some knucklehead stole all of Countrywide's customers social security numbers...I was mad at Countrywide for this happening, but I'd be a lot madder if the knucklehead had only targeted me because then it would be personal.

Except Countrywide didn't rip you off, a person did. And that person wasn't your good old friend. In fact he didn't know you at all.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Except Countrywide didn't rip you off, a person did. And that person wasn't your good old friend. In fact he didn't know you at all.

And you don't know if Bill Mastro shilled anything.

Yet.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

And you don't know if Bill Mastro shilled anything.

Yet.

Actually, I do.

Regardless, how does your analogy fit in the discussion of the issue at hand?

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Actually, I do.

Regardless, how does your analogy fit in the discussion of the issue at hand?

I wasn't really making an analogy, but Peter seemed shocked that someone would feel differently about being a victim of a broad crime compared to a focused crime. I merely gave an example of where it was pretty easy to feel different.

As for your knowledge of Bill Mastro's shilling if it is indeed true I hope we all get to see that proof some day.

[rdixon1208]

Originally Posted by Leon

I am certainly not advocating my view onto others, only giving my opinion. I didn't say it was a good defense either, of course it isn't. I didn't say it was anything except my opinion. I understand it's not a popular one either. That's ok. At least you know where I stand on it, right or wrong. It's the way I feel about it. Hopefully, I am at least entitled to my opinion? regards

Wrong. And uncharacteristically illogical.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by rdixon1208

Wrong. And uncharacteristically illogical.

Yes, I am sorry if I offended anyone with the way I feel. Illogical?

[rdixon1208]

Originally Posted by Leon

Yes, I am sorry if I offended anyone with the way I feel. Illogical?

Of course you can choose to be friends with someone no matter what wrongs they've done to you. Nobody should be offended by that. But it kind of sounded like you were trying to justify it (even if you didn't need to) by saying that he ripped everyone off...not just you. That attempt at justification is what I thought was illogical.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by rdixon1208

Of course you can choose to be friends with someone no matter what wrongs they've done to you. Nobody should be offended by that. But it kind of sounded like you were trying to justify it (even if you didn't need to) by saying that he ripped everyone off...not just you. That attempt at justification is what I thought was illogical.

That justification would be crazy. There is no justifying shill bidding, if it happened. Personally, I don't know for sure that it did. I have my suspicions but I will leave them at that and let the justice system take care of it.

[calvindog]

Tom, no need to be coy, you can call me out by name, I won't cry. And only on Net 54 do the victims get blamed more than the perps. Lucky for me Doug banned me. Maybe he got tired of ripping me off? Either way, it's all in good fun.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by calvindog

And only on Net 54 do the victims get blamed more than the perps.

Well the victims are obviously masochists so it's all good.