1921-23 E220 National Caramel Dating Re-evaluation

[frohme]

Great thread, Brian!

I have (or had) only 4 - the Snyder may be a contradiction.

Type 2 - reversed
Babe Adams
Aaron Ward

Type 2 Regular
Whitted (batting)
Snyder (catching).

[brianp-beme]

Thanks Barry, Mike and Mark for your contributions. Maybe if we get enough responses we can get a clearer idea that perhaps a good chunk or most of the 120 cards were issued with these backs, but just in smaller quantities.

Of course there always has to be a rule-breaker to monkey with a cool theory that you have spent countless brain cells to formulate. Mike, can you confirm that the Regular Type 2 back Frank Snyder card you have (there are two Frank Snyder cards in the set) is the one that shows him crouching in a catcher's position? Or do you have the one that shows him standing with glove? If it is the crouching, catching pose, then the 'type 2 cards printed on one sheet' theory is less likely (I guess you could have two crouching Snyders with different backs on one sheet).

Here is an updated (12/1/15) listing...keep them coming:


Type 1 backs NOT verified:

Carl Mays


'Regular' Type 2 backs verified (29 currently):

G.C. Alexander
Wilbur Cooper
Wm. Cunningham
"Red" Faber
Walter Gerber
Hank Gowdy
Charles Grimm
Sam Harris
Chas. Hollocher
Jimmy Johnston
Pete Kilduff (bending)
Pete Kilduff (leaping)
Walter "Buster" Mails
Steve O'Neill
Geo. Paskert
Roger Peckinpaugh
V.J. Picinich
Jimmy Ring
Raymond Schmandt
Everett Scott
Bob Shawkey
Urban Shocker
John Smith
Frank Snyder (crouching)
Frank Snyder (standing)
James Vaughan
Robert Veach
George Whitted (batting)
Arthur Wilson


Reversed Type 2 backs verified (63 currently):

Babe Adams
James Austin
Franklin "Home Run" Baker
Dave Bancroft
George Burns (Cleveland)
Joe Bush
Leon Cadore
Max Carey
Eddie Collins
John Collins
Walton Cruise
George Cutshaw
Jake Daubert
Chas. A Deal
Bill Doak
Joe Dugan
Jimmy Dykes (fielding)
Ira Flagstead
Arthur Fletcher
Frank Frisch
Larry Gardner
Charles Glazner
J.C. Graney
Heinie Groh
Claude Hendrix
Chas. Hollocher
Harry Hooper
Rogers Hornsby
Waite Hoyt
Wilbur Hubbell
William Jacobsen
Walter Johnson
Larry Kopf
Walter "Buster" Mails
Carl Mays
Lee Meadows
Emil Meusel
Robert Nehf
Bernie Neis
Ivan Olson
Ralph "Cy" Perkins
Scott Perry
Jeff Pfeffer
Wally Pipp
Derill Pratt
Eddie Rousch
Babe Ruth
Raymond Schmandt
Urban Shocker
George Sisler
Earl Smith
John Smith
Sherrod Smith
Frank Snyder (crouching)
Vernon Spencer
Chas. "Casey" Stengle
Milton Stock (fielding)
Aaron Ward
Zach Wheat
George Whitted (fielding)
Fred C. Williams
"Pep" Young
Ross Young


Subjects that have been seen with all three back types:

Chas. Hollocher
Walter "Buster" Mails
Raymond Schmandt
Urban Shocker
John Smith
Frank Snyder (crouching)




Brian

[frohme]

Hey Brian,

Here's the Snyder I had - I think I understood the back descriptions, type1/2 reversed/not but maybe I've got it wrong.



and the others,

Whitted Fielding (Type 1)


Whitted batting (Type 2 - normal)


Type 2 - reversed
Adams


Ward


--
Mike

[Matt]

There was a large lot of E220s mixed in with E120s in the collect.com auction that closed last week (that some were E220s was not noted in the lot description). You can probably get some good data from whomever won that lot.

[Mark]

I've found a type 2 regular Grimm, which has already been reported. But I also found a type 2 reversed Whitted fielding.

[marcdelpercio]

Just curious if anybody is still tracking the back variations on these or has a more updated list? I have searched for any such threads on this set more recent than this one and haven't been able to find anything. I picked up a very large lot of E220s and could make dozens of additions to these checklists if anybody is still interested.

[brianp-beme]

Thanks Marc for reposting this fun thread...boy was I obviously five years younger back then! I have observed many more subjects of the type 2 and 3 backs, including a couple cards that now have all three backs verified. Unfortunately I can not add anything to the list currently, because it is all buried beneath a stack of moveable objects. When the opportunity arises I will post updated lists.

Brian