OT: 1954 Topps uncut sheet

[barrysloate]

Peter- I agree with you that card doctors are incredibly skilled. But I also feel that if any sheet is hand cut the cards may or may not get a numerical grade.

In the example Dan S. gave regarding the Obak sheet, I was amazed to see that even if every card is graded Authentic the sheet still has a positive break value. I don't think the same is true with a 1954 Topps sheet. Who is going to pay a premium for 54T commons in AUTH holders? In this case somebody needs to be absolutely sure the sheet is cut properly, and of course there is no guarantee of that.

[botn]

Ted,

You hold yourself out as a T206 expert and I do not know enough about them to know if you are. I do know that when you have posted on threads relating to the limited topics I do know something about, your facts have been off yet that has not prevented you from making pronouncements. I have a problem with someone posting an inaccurate opinion as if it is an absolute fact. What Barry wrote was not exactly what you wrote. I think you are way off base on this thread and out of your element. You have a habit of getting on individuals who do not agree with you or threads which you do not agree with. Are others not permitted to have opinions or be more expert than you in any areas?

Barry,

If this sheet is won by a person who is going to cut it up it will not be done with the hopes the cards will get into holders. Speculation will not be a part of this acquisition.

Greg

[tedzan]

In post # 28, I said......

"I would expect (at least SGC) would discern the difference in the edge of a vintage card that was originally Factory-cut, versus a
vintage card that was recently professionally cut."

Barry Sloate followed (post #29) with........

"The aging of the paper is the key here. When you cut up a sheet you create fresh edges that have never been exposed to the atmos-
phere. They will not be toned the same as the fronts and the backs of the cards. The graders should catch this immediately."

If these two statements aren't similar, then you must live in another world, Greg.

Regarding your........

"I do know that when you have posted on threads relating to the limited topics I do know something about, your facts have been off
yet that has not prevented you from making pronouncements. I have a problem with someone posting an inaccurate opinion as if it
is an absolute fact."

Hey guy, name some examples ?
As, I usually avoid posting in threads that you have posted in, because of your attitude and your history on this Net.

Yeh, I have problem, too.....dealing with characters like you. Who, for whatever diabolical reasons wants to act like a wise-ass.

Look, I get along with 99% of the people on this forum; and, they appear to appreciate what I contribute to the discussion and the
reciprocal sharing of information that we enjoy.

I simply posted some scans here (post #21) and stated my opinion regarding the cutting up of vintage (pre-1960) sheets. I did NOT
start this "fire"......
you did, in post #32 with your sarcastic remarks. Telling me what I don't know, etc, etc. Who are you to tell me that I'm "out of my
element", and all your other diatribe.

You don't know a damn thing about me and my 34 years experience in this hobby.


TED Z

[botn]

Originally Posted by tedzan

In post # 28, I said......

"I would expect (at least SGC) would discern the difference in the edge of a vintage card that was originally Factory-cut, versus a
vintage card that was recently professionally cut."

Barry Sloate followed (post #29) with........

"The aging of the paper is the key here. When you cut up a sheet you create fresh edges that have never been exposed to the atmos-
phere. They will not be toned the same as the fronts and the backs of the cards. The graders should catch this immediately."

If these two statements aren't similar, then you must live in another world, Greg.

Wow congrats. You found one statement which you made that was almost similar to what Barry wrote. What about the other statements you made? Remember according to you, everything you wrote was EXACTLY like what Barry wrote.

Regarding your........

"I do know that when you have posted on threads relating to the limited topics I do know something about, your facts have been off
yet that has not prevented you from making pronouncements. I have a problem with someone posting an inaccurate opinion as if it
is an absolute fact."

Hey guy, name some examples ?
As, I usually avoid posting in threads that you have posted in, because of your attitude and your history on this Net.

Would be more than happy to via email or by telephone but you have a tendency to vanish when presented with information which refutes your position so I am not sure it would really be worth it.

Look, I get along with 99% of the people on this forum; and, they appear to appreciate what I contribute to the discussion and the
reciprocal sharing of information that we enjoy.

Well far be it for me to get in your way but when you are off base and providing misleading information I have a right to say so.

I simply posted some scans here (post #21) and stated my opinion regarding the cutting up of vintage (pre-1960) sheets. I did NOT
start this "fire"......
you did, in post #32 with your sarcastic remarks. Telling me what I don't know, etc, etc. Who are you to tell me that I'm "out of my
element", and all your other diatribe.

You don't know a damn thing about me and my 34 years experience in this hobby.

34 years or not you are wrong about your pronouncements with regards to this sheet.

[Matthew H]

Originally Posted by botn

If this sheet is won by a person who is going to cut it up it will not be done with the hopes the cards will get into holders. Speculation will not be a part of this acquisition.

Greg

Greg, are you saying that PSA or SGC will purposefully (numerically) holder sheet cut cards for certain people or did you mean that the doctors are so good that it will be impossible to tell?

I am one of those previously oblivious people that assumed, aside form a few mistakes, these companies were skilled enough to know what they were looking at.

Matt

[Peter_Spaeth]

Everyone should read VBCC #7 re restoration. I don't think it is available online unfortunately. And I imagine the state of the art has, if anything, improved since 1996. The grading services are pretty good, but it's like drug detection, the money and technology is on the other side.

[barrysloate]

Peter- Issue #7 of VCBC is the one that's really hard to find. But the article on card alterations is an important one.